I have it on my heart to do this thing. Slowly i do it , for fear of the Lord. Also i do not wish to be known as a fool , ( for doubtless this will not have the effect i want it to).
be bold for Christ. If the Lord has put it on your heart to say something, then say it. Don't fear me or anyone else. Fear God. So if God wants to you speak, then pray for boldness like the Apostles in Acts 4:29-31 and be confident in your salvation because of Jesus' sacrifice.
I wanted to clear somethings up that i keep hearing over and over again from you hunter. DONT RECIEVE MY WORDS HUNTER!! and DONT REJECT THEM!!! Do what is wise , pray for wisdom of God to see if i am wrong or not.
Indeed I will. When Jack first gave me a prophecy from the Lord (or he thinks), I immediately prayed about it and had other anointed Christians (one who propesied 9-11-01 before it happened) look at it too to see it was from God. I did not get one witness to confirm Jack spoke from God. Rather, it was perceived a death threat by some (I didn't even think about that at the time).
So don't think I was foolish enough to come against Jack's prophecy without first praying and seeking God about it and other witnesses. But the word I got from God was: Since when do I send those to Hell who love me and seek truth?
I love God and I'm confident in Jesus Christ. I maybe wrong about things from time to time (I'm not perfect), but I know God won't send me to Hell for asking questions or even being wrong about things if I receive instruction and repent from sins.
One thing that i see, ( which i decieded to write this for this sake ) is that you mis qoute the meaning of what Jack has said to you.
He said I'm going to Hell for not believing him without Biblical support. I don't receive that, and his own website demands people to give Bible verses when they want to correct him. I also expect the same thing. So Jack and I are alike in that sense. We don't accept the word of man, but we only accept God's Word. Or atleast, that what Jack's website says, and I agree with that.
Jack and sayin warned both you and me. But niether you nor me have known niether jack nor sayin , so how could we know for sure if they were lieing? But what was wise i did , ( by the grace of God , for i ask for wisdom from God always) i humbled myself , and asked God to reveal to me the Truth of the matter. God led me by His Grace to believe jack and sayin. In that matter which they warned you , that this girl that you follow is a False Prophet. WHich by the way is not a light warning , for the news that she was false brought great sadness and shock to me , at how decieveing false prophets can be.
First of all, I never "followed" Elisabeth. Jack was quick to condemn me as a "disciple of Elisabeth" but that was just never true. It's not a sin to ask about someone and expect the person to back up their statements with hard core fact, which is the Bible. Jack's website says the exact same thing. If you don't bring the Bible, then I'm not interested because there is not way I can be sure of what Jack and sayin said was true. I certainly don't consider all people liars, but I've got to get the truth from God before I make any rash judgments.
But you did not take the warning , but as you said yourself , you contiued to follow her.
If by "follow" you mean occasionaly drop by her website and pray for her son, then yes I did that and still do. That's not a sin. If so, then show me the command in the Bible saying "Don't pray for others or talk to others."
And now i use your own words against you , for you said that now you can see that sherrie is going against the bible!! ( amazing how right they were huh? )
Will you quote me on that because I didn't say that? I said that I thought she focused too much on the Law of Moses (observing Holy Days), but I can't say that she is going against the Bible. She preaches Jesus Christ and even though she does emphasize the Law a little too much, it is in the Bible and studying it cannot hurt anyone.
So now you can see that in that warning that jack and sayin gave to me and you , that they were right , as even now you see with your own eyes. and only now are you turning from her? Or are you?
jack and sayin only gave me "hearsay." I only requested some Biblical proof to back up their statements, and I've never received it. They may be right; they may not be. How can I tell if they won't back up their statements with the Word of God?
I never did "turn to her." I asked about her (because she was going to be on the radio and wanted to know what others thought), and I talked with her on the phone a few times. One was about the upcoming radio show, and the other times were just a friendly chat. I've also spoken with her son, and I pray for him. There's no sin in that. I'll pray for you guys just as much.
I'll still pray for Elisabeth and her family. My prayer is that they will lead many to Christ.
I speak this for this should be the beginning of your repentence , For you asked that we should point it out to you.
I'm not sorry for asking about her and praying for her. Even Jesus said we should pray for our enemies...how much more so for those who are spiritual leaders trying to lead people to Christ?
For you did not take heed to the warning that she was false( didnt even consider it , you must not of , for if you would have asked the Lord , as He has shown me , doubtless He would have shown you) is the beginning of the sin. And if then you believe and see now that you have sinned , then surely you will see how much more you have sinned because you have not believed. In that you spoke a false word against two servants of the Liveing God , who in loved warned both me and you from the begginning. Now if they were not of God , then surely they would not have seen that she was a false prophet.
It's not a sin to test the spirits and expect Biblical support. It's not a sin to talk with others. It's not a sin to pray for others (even if they false prophets).
Also, if she's false, then will you please prove it using the Bible just like Jack requests on his own website?
I believe God, but we are warned not to believe every person. I believe in Jesus Christ, and it's not a sin to prove ALL things.
So now if you see that she is false with your own eyes. then you must see that jack and sayin were right. And if you see that , then you must see the wrong you have spoken against them. and you must also believe what they have said , has happen to you , that even God Himself is against you because you did not Repent from following this False Prophet. Have you asked Gods forgiveness for following her yet?
I have no need to ask for God's forgiveness for praying and talking with people. I follow Jesus Christ first and foremost, not man or woman.
THe whole time you wanted jack to proove to you with the bible that sherrie is false .... HOW COULD JACK DO THAT? He has already told us that she prophecied falsely. And so jack told you what the Holy Spirit revealed to him , that you follow her and that she is false , and so by the Holy Spirit , He spoke to you that the Lord is Against you! Because you follow her!!
Test every spirit...1 John 4:1. It's not sin to test jack and expect him to back up his "God-given revalation with the Bible." If it's God given, then he should be able to back it up easily.
And you would ask jack to back this up with the Bible. How can he do that? And so jack said to you , its the hight of foolishness to ask for proof from the bible. What proof do you need to see now?
If the revelation is God-given, then he should be able to back it up with the Bible easily. Read Acts 1-8. You can get a great summary of the Old Testament in those chapters. If the early church which had received the Holy Spirit could back up their revalation of Jesus Christ with so much Scripture, then surely jack could give one Bible verse to support him if he's speaking from God?
Where do you miss use the Bible? You misunderstand johns words!
Think you that john says we must test the spirits , meaning test one another?
Nay but spirits as in devils , if you see rays occurences , then you will see when he is talking with the Most Holy Lord , that devils would try and speak to him , and so ray would test the spirits by asking if Jesus Christ came in the Flesh , and if the spirit did not respond , or said no , then surely it was an evil spirit , but if the Spirit said yes , then it was the Holy Spirit , who does testify of Jesus Christ.
1 John 4:1 talks about FALSE PROPHETS. If a prophets gives a "thus saith the Lord..." we are to test that prophecy and prove all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 2 Timothy 3:26).
Need more proof of this? Consider this , matt 7 , Not all who say to me Lord Lord ( meaning not all who believe that i am Lord ) will enter heaven. But those who do the will of My Father who is in Heaven.Showing clearly that just because you believe that Jesus is Lord does not mean that God is with you , or that He will not condemn you to hell on Judgement day.
Amen to that!
And so this is spoken in defence of the truth for those listening , in which jack has time after time been mis qouted , and mis understood , that you might see that jack does not go against the bible! neither does he think its foolish to go to the bible to confirm truth. its nonsence to think.
Well, Jack said it was foolishness...and if he believed it wasn't then why hasn't he drawn the sword of the Spirit yet? He has still not given one Bible verse to support him or his prophecies.
Only when a personal word is given to a man from God almighty , how can you go to the bible and find where God said it to you? Or as much as i have seen of the Lord personaly, and as much all of us have heardand seen , where in the bible can you find it exactly? Its prophecied that we would see from the Lord visions and dreams , but our visions and dreams are not in the bible. At least not fully , as its written , we prophecy in part. Its partly written.
Yes, indeed. But we are still to test the prophets, are we not?
So when a man of God propheices to you , say not show me with the bible!! thats foolishenss. just as jack has said.
That statement is unwise and contradicts the Bible.
If you know the bible , and more importantly , if you have known personaly Jesus Christ , then the Holy Spirit will testify of those who are of Him , and those who are not!
Amen...we know them by their fruits.
For what would you say to jerimayah? if you were there when he was prophecieing , would you say , show me in the Torah? Do not the law and the prophets prophecy in part of jack and sayin , and you and me?
Do you how much God and Jeremiah would have rejoiced if the Jews in his day asked him to prove things with the Law? Read through all the porphets...they all have one common theme. They point out there people have sinned against the Law and call for repentance.
According to the Law, the prophets of the Old Testament were to be stoned if they were incorrect, so those prophets of the Old Testament were to tested very strictly.
The truth is hunter, jack and sayin warned us both by the Holy Ghost , cause God didnt want us to be decieved !( for He loves us ), He wanted both of us to Seek Him for Truth of the Matter , HE wanted to show both of us how decieveing false prophets can be. So that we should be carefull and seek Him Personly always when ever a word is Given in His name.
God doesn't give a death threat to someone searching for truth and testing prophecies as His Word commands. False prophets can be deceiving, but no one here has been able to prove Elisabeth as false from the Bible. I can, however, prove that Ray and Jack are not fully submitting to the Lord because they sell their prophecies for $24.95 for a book. Read Acts 8:14-25. We are NOT to sell the gifts of the spirit. How can you put a price on God's Word????
And so now they have spoken something against you , however think its not them , but God who did warn you before time about the false prophet , you didnt listen then , will you listen now?
If you can't back up statements with the Bible, then I'm not interested in them. It's real simple, and it's Biblical. Proof all things said Paul.
You wont. I know that you wont , but i tremble for you. Everytime i see your name on this link i tremble for you before i read , And i fear to pray for you , lest the Lord be angry with me.
I have to be confident in the Lord. This is spiritual warfare, and I have to put on the whole armor of God. I love the Lord and I will stand on the Rock of my salvation Jesus Christ. You also won't see me come against anyone without bringing the sword of the Spirit. It's our ONLY offensive weapon. If we (Christians) don't attack with the Word of God, then we have no way to come against spiritual wickedness.
Look at my words hunter , read them over and over and over. And do this one thing that is wise , ask the Lord , for His Mercy sake , ask the Lord to show if my words are right , or wrong , and see if this is not the source of your rebuke. Who knows? the Lord may have mercy on you if you tear your heart before Him and repent.
I will not repent for asking for Biblical support. Jack does on his site, and so do I because it's the wise thing to do.
But if jack and sayin are correct ( i speak as one reasoning with you ) about you being possessed with a devil , as they were correct about this girl being a false prophet , ( as you are now seeing ) , then surely you should ask the Lord first to cast the Devil out of you in the Name of Jesus Christ , ( for i asked the Lord years ago to do the same for me , and He did )
A devil cannot take hold on one who is already possesed of the Holy Spirit. I don't have to worry about devils because God has already claimed by body as His Temple, and I rejoice! Thanks to Jesus whose blood as washed away my sins and the Holy Spirit who lives in me. Hallelujah!
Who knows the Heart of God? Who knows if He will not recieve you again? do i hope against hope?
My God love me, and I love Him. I'm not perfect, but my Savior is. He has not forsaken me nor will He ever as long as I love Him and others.
At the very least , ( i speak to my brothren) i wanted to speak this so that he could no longer falsly acuse , or miss use the scripture to lie on those who serve the Liveing God. But doubtless he will twist another scripture , and will this ever end? Remember the Point of the matter , this is about the False prophet. Watch and see how far off of the point this goes , and look and see so far how far it has gone already.
Since you seem so sure about Elisabeth being false, then maybe you can supply the Sword of the Spirit and slice up her prophecies? Even if she is false, I do not repent for asking about her and expecting jack to back up his statements with the Word of God.
Have i spoken foolishly? I would love your correction. Im not ashamed to be corrected. Only i fear the Lord to whom i prayed to help me write this. And i cannot ask what i want to ask for hunter. My heart wont let me.
I'm not sure what you mean here? Why can't you ask what you want to ask? Do you want to ask me something or are you talking about God? Go ahead and ask me anything if you're talking about me. If you're talking about God, then go ahead and ask Him if you feel it can help you in your walk with the Lord.
Lord God this i ask , for the sake of your children , that we might grow in wisdom and understanding , , Give us knowlege of this devil , tell us the ins and outs of his ways , that we ourselfs may not give heed to him. For is this not one of the more powerfull devils? The ones that do pollute the churches of men? Save us from deceptioin Mighty God , and renew your Mercy to us daily. In Jesus name so let your will be done.
Amen. Instruct us oh Lord and give us understanding. Guide us instruction in righteousness and keep us from evil. In Jesus name I pray amen!
Hunter:
I say again:
Lord confirms me that Ray is a true prophet (tongues)
You know that I have to test you, don't you? Will you back up yur statements with God's Written Word as 2 Timothy 3:16 says?
I'll be praying for all you guys and this ministry. It's my hope that this ministry draws many to Christ just like I have the same hope in Elisabeth's ministry. Paul had the same hope as well. Let's read from Philippians:
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
And so whether you guys preach Jesus because you think He can make you rich with book deals, or if you truly love God and have been deceived into publishing books and selling prophecy by the devil, I hope and I rejoice that you do preach Christ. even if it's in the wrong heart. Because where Christ is preached, the Holy Spirit can save.
The same is true with Elisabeth's ministry. While I don't agree with everything she has said, I like her basic message which focuses on Jesus Christ. She preaches holiness, righteousness, and repentance. If she preaches Jesus out of contention and strife or love of money, then I still rejoice like Paul that Christ is being preached. Where Christ is preached, the Holy Spirit can save, even if the preacher isn't preaching for the right reasons.
But Elisabeth can be quoted as saying to prove things with the Bible and if anything contradicts the Bible, then it's false. And she has also abstained from selling her prophecies even though she's been tempted. I respect that. So I don't "follow" Elisabeth (I follow Jesus), but I do like the fact she preaches Jesus and our need to repent and get right with God. I've learned of some conspiracies from her site that I've very grateful to know. One is Project Blue Beam. Do a google search on it. Whether it happens or not, it did help me realize that the deceptions are going to be very great in the near future. So get right with Jesus now.
So whether Christ is preached with a pure heart or a sinful heart, I rejoice that Christ is preached. Jesus is our all in all.