I was at a church that seemed very airy to me, with two back side doors were open. There were hard wooden pews there. A commotion was started when two elderly ladies were found holding hands in church and then the congregation drove them out from the church because these two old women were lesbians. I remember feeling upset about them being kicked out instead of being told what was expected of them from God. Treating them like that was like casting someone out of your town without explanation. Yet deep down I knew these women knew darn well that what they were doing was unnatural. End of dream

This got me in the word and to thinking how people in certain church’s are accepting of gay people and there lifestyle. Even though some people want to take in other people who are outright sinning and acting like it is not a sin to be sexually active with a member of the same sex, they should not take them in unless of course Satan is among them. Satan will not drive out Satan:

Matthew 12:25-26

-25- Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

-26- If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

Satan will never be able to drive out all the righteous people while he is building his kingdom but God can drive out every evil spirit and that is when his kingdom will stand and never fall.

God has let it be known to me and now to you that there are so called Christian churches that are really churches of Satan without knowing that is what they are. So when people who are leading a gay lifestyle are welcomed to a church then Satan enters that church and because he is already there he will not drive out himself. Satan then remains as do the people who bring Satan in the church. What are in among the people in these churches are people who have one or more of the following sins in there life that they pretend to not think of as sins:

Romans 1:18 + 25-31

-18- The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

-25- They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen

-26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

-27- In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

-28- Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought no to be done.

-29- They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

-30- slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

-31- they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

These many sins listed are not what a person is full of, just that a person is filled with one or more of these sins. Indeed Satan is in some Christian churches:

Revelation 2:12-17

-12- “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.

-13- I know where you live--where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city--where Satan lives. Was Antipas one of the two witnesses? Is the church of Pergamum now in a new city?

-14- Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balsam, who taught Balk to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

-15- Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolai tans.

-16- Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

-17- He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

Manna was given to the Jews when they were taken out of bondage from Egypt after the wrath from God had happened with the 10 plagues.

If Satan is not in your church than people who live their lives in an ungodly way will be driven out of your church and not be allowed to stay. People better get their life in order because Jesus is coming back very soon and he will fight these people who act ungodly with the sword of his mouth….that would be with his WORD!!!!!!!

If you are a church who welcomes people who continue to live their lives in a sinful way without remorse, you better make sure you have done everything God has wanted you to do--First you must have the Holy Spirit…You can only get it by first repenting and then by being baptized… in the manor that Jesus was!!!!!!



Wake up people and listen to what I say, what God has made known to all people is about to finish and you don’t want to miss the boat…Noah was ready and he sure did not’t miss the boat.

i have to reply to this , i have a differnt understandind. with all humility i speak , acording to the wisdom ive gained by reading the scriptures and seeking for understanding of Gods ways.

Is not God speaking against the leaders of the churches? what if a man is a sinner in a church , is it right for man to judge him? Nay but to warn him. And let him not partake in the Work of the Lord till he changes his ways. God will judge that man and all men on that day. but if the sin is in those who are doing Gods work , then shall they be warned by God and rebuked by man , and if they continue in there sin then what? then shall there church be judged by God. then what? shall you stay and learn of them if God has forsaken that church? And if you see or know of sin in the leaders or ministers of your church . Then you should seek God to reveal rather or not you should leave. All are welcome to hear the Word of the Lord , for we are all in sin. But to those who teach , to them is it required to stay clean , so that they can speak clearly what is the Word of the Lord to those who are yet in sin. Those who come to listen.

Did not Jesus dwell with sinners? Did that make Him a sinner? Nay but the rightous need not to be preached to , but the ungodly. That they may know to turn from there ways. When God speaks of homosexuality in the churchs , is He not speaking of pastors? and ministers?

I bear witness to the words of another man , whom i got to know . And he speaks of homosexuality in pastors , he himself was overcome by it , and now has turned from it. He was an eye witness.

All sinners are welcome in the churches. How else will they learn rightousness? How else will they hear the Word of the Lord?

Nay but to the pastors and leaders of the church , does the judgement go , and judgement to all else who live ungodly. By God , not man.

to speak the Word of the Lord is to speak against sinfullness , and lustings of the flesh . and all sin , and what sinner should hear such words and want to stay? Or who would believe the Word of the Lord and not fear to turn from there ways? How shall they turn from there ways if they are kicked out and counted not worthy to hear the Word of the Lord?

Jesus said He has come not to judge the World but to save it. To all now salvation is offered. To who so ever would come and recieve it at His hand.

My younger brother went with a couple of his friends to this one church. He said that they talked so much about how they hate "fags" and hoped they burn in hell , that they would get what they deserve. I dont think that such talk is Godly at all. Nither is it ok to say that homosexuality is alright to do. But we are called not to condemn , lest we be condemned. But to warn and speak the Word of the Lord to those who walk in sin with out regaurd. Once they know the Word of the Lord , is it not upon there own heads the judgement of there actions? as all of us.

but as for the churches , i speak as pertaining to those who are leaders in the church or have any work in it. to them it is required that they study and stay clean , so that God can do His work through them. And that is what makes a godly church. and if the leaders and those who work for the church walk in sin and repent not. then how shall God move through them? Yeah then thats what is called the church of man. And they are everywhere! The ministries is a fearfull place. not a place to gain wealth or honor or glory. but a place that should only be a mans burdon , by the Will of God. For great is the judgement to those who mis lead the sheep.

Maybe im mistaken , but i just had to speak what i knew as understanding and wisdom. May the Lord correct me if im wrong. I wish not to speak with foolishness.
God bless
st_joel

In hearing all of this, a few questions come to mind.

First of all, didn't Paul advise us to put out those who were contaminating the church? He gave us a good process to go by. Going to the person and then bringing another and then bringing it before the body. Correction is our friend. By it comes God's blessings and cleansing. By being dedicated believers we also have the responsibility to correct others IN THE RIGHT WAY: in the kind of admonishing love Christ had when he corrected his disciples.

As far as kicking out homosexuals, I have to ask this. What about the adulterers? The fornicators? What about the drunks and the idolators? I mean, are they also kicked out? Most of the time, they aren't. IN my experience they are treated with much more respect. In America, money means righteousness so often. WE live in a more corrupt society than we can even fathom and it has seeped into the church.

The organized church is so corrupt. So full of sin and error and it is difficult for the elect to remain within the congregations. Recently a righteous pastor was asked to leave our church. I am weary of it. Yet, God seems to be wanting me and my husband to remain in it. It is lonely and difficult for us. The lukewarm people frustrate me. But God loves all and will give them many chances to see truth and submit to him.

Such a division is taking place in the body of Christ. The Lord showed me this a few years ago and it is happening. A division in the church. There seems to be the organized church and the prophectic church. But we who are prophetic must try to help the organized church as long as we can. Until I guess, they kick us all out. It has happened many times in the body of Christ in other nations. Now, it is happening in America. God help his people!

Kim

ChristineRH wrote:


As I read this post, and all the others which are also posted in answer, I see much that is correct, and it appears that several are saying about the same thing in maybe a slightly different way. I am not taking exception to any of these.

My intention is only to make a couple of comments.

It bothers me that two women were thrown out of a church (in your dream) because they were holding hands. (I am sure that this was given to you for a purpose what will one day be made clear to you.) If these two women then told the congregation that they were Lesbians, then the pastor should have met with them and showed them what God's word says about homosexuality. Every attempt should have been made to lead them to correction. But if the people were assuming what may not be true. Then again it falls to the shoulders of the pastor for not bringing the congregation to their correction. There are many churches and congregations which do not have the Spirit of the Holy Lord God in them. They are run by men for men, and not for the Glory of the Holy Lord God. I think that we all see these around us. It becomes obvious to me that that dream was showing you that there was something bad wrong with a church which would do that, in that way.

I note a case that I read in the papers some years back, while homosexuality was still so shameful that it was hidden by most of those who practiced it. However there were some who took to living in the same area of a town, and it was not unusual to see two of the same sex holding hands while walking in that area. Then one night there was a father and his son walking through that area, neither was homosexual. But as they walked the father put his arm around the shoulders of his son. Then there pulled up next to them a car load of men who jumped out and started calling them foul names, and beat them, killing the son, and putting the father into the hospital for a long time. Those men who beat them jumped to conclusions that were false, and exercised hate instead of Love. The newspapers made a big news story.

I must note that there is nothing in the bible that would make it a sin for anyone to hold hands, or to hug each other, or even for two of the same sex to live together. See the book of Ruth. The only sin would be the committing of the sex acts between any of the same sex, and or between any two people who are not married, or of any sex outside of the marriage. This I think we all, on this board, knows, and understands that. And I am sure that their is no one on this board who hates homosexuals. We are to hate the sin, but not the person.

I do note that any minister, pastor, who stands before the congregation and preaches that Homosexuality, or any other sin, is alright according to the Bible, is most definitely going to answer to the Holy Lord God for preaching a false Gospel.

I must further note that if a practicing homosexual couple is attending a church, and it becomes known that they are actively practicing this sin, then all steps must be taken to bring them to correction, but if, and I say IF, they refuse all correction and flaunt their sin, then they must be put out of the church. But this is the duty of the Pastor, and not of the congregation. It is only the duty of the congregation to bring the matter to the pastor, when it becomes known. And if the pastor refuses to take any action, then it would be the duty of the congregation to put out that pastor and to bring in another who will follow the Word of God. And if the congregation will not act, then leave that church.

This is no different than how you would treat any other sin within the congregation of a church. Shortly after I started attending a small church, when I first came to the Lord, there was an old man who every Sunday, when prayer request was asked for, that he would stand up and start to curse people, in the guise of a prayer request. This bothered me, But the people, and the pastor, all shrugged their shoulders and said, well that is just the way that he is. But the Lord said to me "You have to stop that man from cursing in the church". Who me Lord?? Well I started, And every time he got up and started cursing people, that I would stand and publicly call him down on it, telling him, and the congregation, that I would not accept his cursing in church, that if he wanted to curse he could go outside to curse. Well the end result was that after several months of this, the pastor finally took the action that he should have taken to start with, and threatened to put him out of the church if he did not stop it. So the man stopped.

I know, I'm just rambling on.

Remember to always Love the man, Hate the sin.

We have several big churches in our town, where you have to dress the right way, smell the right way, in order to even attend. I worked with the homeless, and had several of the homeless tell me how they were physically thrown out of those churches when they went in for service. And several told me how, when they went to those churches asking for help that the church had them arrested. One of my sons said that he went to one of those churches to ask for financial help. He had a job, was well dressed, etc. but had fallen on hard times through no fault of his own. He told me that they turned their nose up at him, and told him to sell his car, then he could buy food. He said he told them that where he worked was 20 miles away, and if he sold the car how could he go to work, they told him to walk. Now that certainly is Not a Christian Church. While there are probably Christians who attend, the leadership, the pastor and board certainly are Not Christian.

There I go rambling on again.

The time has started when the Lord is separating his Sheep from the Goats in every church, regardless of denomination. The Sheep are being driven out, for the Sheep will no longer put up with the false Gospels being preached, will not tolerate the ramped sin in the congregations, and they will either leave or will be told to leave when they complain to the pastor of the things happening within that church. These will form the True church of Christ, meeting in the highways and byways. Those who remain in the church buildings will be the goats who pretend to be Christians.