http://www.kimclement.com/

Has anyone seen this site? What information if you've seen the site do you have so far? This site sounds nice, but it does not seem to speak of the spirit since it does not match with prophecies about President Bush...

Kim is a man that you can listen to if you watch TBN. As far as i seen of him he seems to be true , Him and mark chirinoia { i think his last name is} , they say they are prophets , but i see they are a differnt kind of prophet , more for the healing of the saints and leading them into there calling. While the prophets you see here are more revealing the things to come.

God uses us in many ways , and each of us have our own calling. You can watch these men , or any men for that matter and see they are not perfect , but truly they are a blessing .

It seems that noone on TBN truly understands the war thats comeing. Well at least when i used to watch it , i dont much anymore. It seems a great deal of them only wish to talk about money and wealth. Even though truth may proceed from them , it does not mean they are perfect in there teachings. You can learn some , but as all preachers , you must sift there words for the Truth.

But as far as this Kim , that ive heard of him , Hes a man of God doing what the Lord called him to. I havent visited his site , and ive only watched him but a few times , so take my word for that , but let the Spirit witness to you rather his words are truth or a lie.

xavierkress wrote:


Hi Tristan,

I just went to his site and the first thing that I always try to do when I go to a new site, is to find their posted beliefs.

If I do not find their beliefs posted I am very careful of what they are posting.

If they have posted their beliefs, that will tell you instantly if their beliefs are in line with the Bible or not.

In this case, I had only to read a very short way into his posted beliefs to see that he is in serious conflict with what the Bible teaches about salvation. Claiming that Nicodemus was saved even before meeting with Jesus. However the Bible teaches that there is NO Salvation without Jesus, and The bible also teaches that there was not one Old Testament Saint who ever had Salvation until Jesus went down into Hell (Paradise part) and preached to them after Jesus died on the cross and the time Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore it is impossible for Nicodemus to have had salvation before Jesus died on the cross for all of us.

He also indicates in the same paragraphs of his beliefs that he has refused correction on this teaching, speaking of how others would not accept his teaching on this.

Therefore, I judge that his site should be kept away from, and to Not listen to him on the TBN either, for while he may sound good once and awhile, he will slip false teachings unto you without you realizing it.

Thanks Joel and Rev Barr,

I received this email from my mother who received this from a friend in South Africa that she went to school with. Her intentions I believe are good, but Rev Barr I believe you are right. Some things that he said were great and some did not sit well with me.

It actually reminds me of the story of Paul going to a city and a woman had been preaching there and she followed Paul and the disciples for a while and Paul turned around to her and rebuked her and cast a demon from her.

The reasoning I have come to understand is that satan does this a lot. He will give you words that are truth until you are hooked on every word that proceeds from his mouth then he will insert his lies and deceit as though they were truth and you see him as not having lied to you before because of speaking truth now the half-truths and full lies are accepted.

So Paul saw this through the Holy Spirit and saw what would be done once he and the disciples left and that this demon would have his audience because she "seemed" to be with the disciples and speaking the same or similar things, but she was deceiving even then the people listening to her and devising to deceive.

I believe this will happen a lot now with people that have come to the head of the church and people have put faith in them (man) and not in Christ Jesus.

Thanks again for the help with this site. Just wanted some confirmation of what I had felt while reading some of this info.

Rev Barr,

With all due respect, I think you came to a right conclusion, but you didn't understand what he was saying. If I read it correctly, it said that Nicodemus was spared of hell until Jesus came, not that he was saved. That is the old Jewish belief of Sheol. That is entirely biblical correct salvation-wise.
He was correct on many things which I knew but was surprised to read, but you're right. There was something which didn't quite click when I read his beliefs. I think perhaps the excessive anti-legalistic bent might have perturbed me, but I don't know exactly what was wrong.

Moonlight wrote:


Hi Moonlight,

I stand on my first post.

Kim Clement said the following in his statement of beliefs:


That statement is crystal clear! Kim is saying that Nicodemus IS ALREADY SAVED even before Jesus came. There is none of this "saved only until Jesus came" that statement came from your own interpretation Moonlight, it most definitely Not what Kim said.

Jesus said You "MUST" be born again!!!


We must note here that Jesus not only said that you cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven without being born again of the Spirit, but Jesus also continued to say that you cannot ENTER into Heaven without being Born again of the Spirit!! In the Old Testament everyone went to Hell, some to be tormented, and some to be held prisoner in a part of Hell called Paradise or Abrahams Bosom. Not one of the Old Testament saints had salvation until Jesus died on the cross for us, then during those three days in the earth the Bible tells us that Jesus went down into Hell and preached to the Old Testament saints (prisoners) who then accepted Jesus and came out of Hell. And having now accepted Jesus Christ they then were able to enter heaven for they had now been born again of the Spirit when Jesus preached to them. Now When we die, we will enter one of two places, if we have been born again of the Spirit we can and do enter heaven, if we have not been born of the Spirit, then we enter Hell.

Kim conveniently ignored that last part. We are also told in other places in the Bible that Salvation is ONLY through the Name of Jesus, by no other name under heaven. No matter how you cut it, Nicodemus could not have had salvation Before Jesus Died on the Cross. Even the thief next to Jesus went to Paradise to be held prisoner until Jesus freed them during those three days in death when The Bible tells us that Jesus went down into Hell and preached to the prisoners there. There was NO Salvation of Anyone until Jesus rose from the dead.

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath RAISED him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I would stick with the tried and true prophets; Raymond Aguilera, Thomas S Gibson, Dan Fineman, Ken Peters ("I saw the tribulation"), Dumitru Duduman, Bob Neumann, Michael Boldea Jr, and of course the Bible as center.

If you were stuck on an island, and all you had was Kim Clement, then yeah, then filter what he would say. But why go to dirty water, when you have clean pure, fresh high-up mountain water available to you right now? I don't mean to sound stern at all, it is just human nature to say "Well, what about him?" and naturally avoid the better vial.

well spoken blue , well spoken ,

the truth is God said to ray that there is none that He trusts to send the sheep to. There is not ONE , He said. NOT ONE.

for the past four to five years or so , the Lord has spoken to me many times , and showed me many things. You cant take a man and say hes of the devil because he doesnt have the full truth , or because he preaches something without understanding. For then you would have to exclude yourself from the Body of Christ { for surely at some time you have done the same }. For from the beginning of Christs Work in my life till now , i tell you i lack much understanding of Truth , However that doesnt mean i dont understand what the Lord has made me too. If i preach a false doctrine , a doctrine without understanding , that does not make what the Lords showed me untrue.

The Word of God in us is as a seed. It takes time for us to grow in Truth , and its God who makes it happen. And there is no man that is as he should be , or so i BELIEVE God was talking about to ray , not being able to trust anyman to lead His Children.

So in conclusion i wish to say this , that i would not counsel anyman to study or follow kim , however i would not lable him a false prophet just because his doctrine is off. Only if he speaks a false prophecy , for prophecy is of the Spirit , but doctrine is often of man.

therefore i say look at his prophecys , and see if he be a liar. or of Truth as we all. As for me , i stand by what i said up above , i know him not and only heard him a couple times. Im not defending him or saying hes true , God forbid i do such a thing , for i know not. only consider my words , to me it is wisdom. But if its not wisdom, it wouldnt be the first time i played the fool.

yours in Christ
st_joel

st_joel: it wouldnt be the first time i played the fool.

Yes! Well spoken!

st_joel wrote:


Ah Brother St_Joel, May the Lord continue to bless and keep you in all of His Truths.

What we have been saying is that Ken Clement is Preaching Another Gospel Whether from a lack of understanding, or with full knowledge does not matter, He is still preaching another Gospel, and the Bible warns us several times to beware of anyone who preaches another Gospel.



Note that anyone who preaches any Gospel other than what is in the Bible is Cursed by God, for it is an abomination before God to change His word.

I matters not if the new Gospel is preached through Ignorance or by design, it is the same before God.

While we may make a mis statement or a mis quote when we tell someone about the word of God, that is Not the same as Preaching a New or different Gospel. In the case of Kim, He has ignored or twisted so very many verses of Scripture in his Beliefs, and in what he teaches that it does constiture the preaching of another Gospel.

Every Christian knows and has been taught that Salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ, and that there can be NO Salvation without Jesus, but Kim teaches that you that men did have Salvation without Jesus, thereby calling the Verses about Salvation in the Bible a lie, and that is another Gospel.

Follow and support him as you wish, but for myself, I will not follow or ever listen to any man, or woman, who teaches another Gospel, and has been Cursed by God, as the Bible tells us and teaches us.

jack , you continue to be a blessing to me.

I hope i dont sound to nieve, but i dont have any man whom i follow. So i speak acording to what i think is wisdom{ for i ask for Wisdom and seek for understanding in faith ,KNOWING God gives it to me for His Words sake.}. For a while i trusted this , what i thought was wisdom , til lately where i seen that truely i cant trust what i believe , but must even question it.

Truely i did'nt understand what i do now that you mentioned this. Im used to being in chat rooms and hearing all sorts of lies. It seems everyman has his own gospel in there. There are many doctrines here and there , Catholics , Calvanist , the Law keepers , those who preach Grace , sabbath keepers , non sabbath keepers , Non denominational , Jehovahs witnesses, the list just goes on and on.

Truely if i hadent been in those rooms i would have never sought for truth as much as i have. For men debate in there all the day long , and its so upseting to me . All the day long they say the other is of the devil , and in truth i cant find ONE who agrees with me in everything i believe. So i considered it wisdom , that if i can see in them that which is false and not of God , who am i to say that i am without such? "without fault"

So as i learned and grew i noticed how much my beliefs were off , as God would lead me. Seeing how i had been decieved and believed a lie in many cases , yet God was still taking to me and working with me, I concluded that God must have a work in them as well , and that i should keep my tounge from judgeing them , but only speaking against the lie and testifing of the Truth.

And so this was the basis of what i said up above , but what i had not noticed was that the Gospel is not a doctrine like the other things that men debate about. I didnt understand , and still dont fully , just how much of a curse this is compared to the other doctrins , For i considered them all the same. Besides that i over looked at how old this man is , and how long he has been doing this , above me he should know better.

I do believe however that God has a work in Kims life , i will pray for him. That the Lord reveal to him the error of his ways , and not to him only but mine to me.
Lets not forget about Peter , whom paul rebuked for preaching another gospel. Or is saying men must keep the laws of moses to be saved , not another gospel?
of a truth your one of the only that i agree with about salvation jack. I preach what many acuse me of saying that by works we are saved , but its only because either they cant understand what im saying , or they just dont want to believe anything differnt then what there pastors taught them. I thank God that i was not raised in churchs , but found God in my bedroom , for He is all i have , the only i call upon to correct me and lead me in Truth and wisdom. I keep an open ear , listening for my correction , through whom ever the Lord wishes to give me it. I praise God for His Mercy to me , For His Grace , For His Son. and pray He leads us all out of Darkness helping us to renew our minds.
Its a shame that i have so much to learn , and so little time.
thx
your brother
st_joel

Brother St_joel,

Believe me when I tell you that you are indeed ahead of the pack on your walk with God. For you have seen and recognized what many are still blinded to.

Yes, almost all the men and women you will find on those chat rooms and on almost all of the web list have heard so many false interpretations that they don't know which end is up. They are to be prayed for, that the Lord will grant to them understanding, just as the Lord is granting to you understanding.

But you must always be aware when on those sites that there are also demons trying to stir the pot, to knock down every truth that is posted.

You can be sure that there are many on this ProphecyLink who are good and true Christians, and I know of at least one on this list which is an Apostle of the Lord God,( and I am not referring to me, but to another.) But, And you can be sure that there are some of those demons also right here on ProphecyLink, and also sending posts to Raymond with the hope of having it posted to Ray's list.

It is not up to Ray to sort out who is who on either his list or on ProphecyLink, it is up to each one of us to watch, pray, and go before the Holy Lord God for guidance in knowing what is true and what is not. The more you know of what the Bible says the easier it is to spot what is not right.

I count it a blessing that I did Not sit in a pew hearing men preach their interpretations of God's Word for most of my life. For when I came to the Lord at 55 years of age, the Lord put me straight into the Bible, and started teaching me directly. I read and I studied as the Lord God led me to do. Read the Bible from cover to cover just as you would read a story book or how you would watch a movie. No one jumps around inside a story book, for you could never understand what the story was all about, and neither can you jump all around in the Bible and still understand what God is all about. But when you read the Bible from cover to Cover, then you will see a true picture of God, and not the distorted view that many teach.

You are one of many here that are walking on the narrow path, and while you may stumble on occasion, Jesus picks you up and you continue on your way toward Jesus. Jesus looks at your heart, and not at outward appearances.

I am only one voice, only a messenger. The Lord has many of us. Every true Child of Jesus Christ is a messenger for Him. When we start with the Lord God, we are all babies, and know nothing, then we start to grow in the Lord, and will continue to grow in the Lord until we say "Enough, I want no more". Then the Lord will let us stay right where we are until we say "Lord I want to draw closer to you, teach me".

There will always be times in our spiritual growth when we will start to go astray, and the Lord will correct us, many times sending someone to us to warn us that we have started down the wrong path and that we must turn around. It happened to me several times in my early years. I hope that it will not happen again, but if it does, I pray that I will listen to the one who is sent to me for my correction.

st_joel: Its a shame that i have so much to learn , and so little time.

Hehe, Who doesn't?

You know, usually when you go to a prophets site and they have all their ads for their books. CD, or what not, it is usually a good indication they are false. God isn't in the business of making money, he is interested in saving souls. These so called prophets who cash in on their prophecies make me sick. How can you do that to people?? How can you play with their lives like that? I know people say "Well they have to make a living." So what prophets/apostles sell God's word and make money of off him? Have these so called prophets even ask themselves that? The Apostle Paul even worked for a while. It is just upsetting to me that there are people out there who would prey on people like that.

Well since we are on the subject of false prophets, anyone heard of Joyce Meyer? She is the author of a lot of books but the one that stands out the most is the "Purpose Driven Life." I wanted to buy one of her books. But I decided that I should do a background check on her first. This woman is rich!! She makes a lot of money from her books. I saw a picture of her manshion. I was reading an article on her. Reading little parts of her book online. It just doesn't witness to my spirit. What does everyone else think?