I would like to tell you about some miracles which I witnessed for a woman that I will call "Joy".

Joy was in her 80's, and I use to go visit her when I was in my early 50's.

One night I drove over to her house, it was an old farm house sitting on a two lane paved road out in the country side outside of Griffin Georgia. The house sat on what was once the farm that she and her husband owned and farmed. But in later years the farm had been broken up and parts of it sold off, and she had been all alone for 40 years..

So on one side of her house, down the road a piece to her right as you stood on the porch looking at the road, there were 4 houses, and to the left of her, about 300 yards was a little side road with 5 houses on it, and just beyond them was a house of one on her sons. Across the road and down to her left was another old farm house.

Now that the picture has been set, we can understand that in this country setting that there was only one power line bringing electricity to all of them. That power line came from the right, past her house, continued on to the left, and on down the road past that.

On this one late evening, I arrived at her house. The lights were on in her house, and she had a yard light mounted up on the power pole, and it was lit up. I wasn't there more than a couple of minutes before all the neighbors started coming over and looking at those lights that she had, They kept on looking at that pole light and at the lights in the house and talked among themselves, because as we discovered, not one of the people on her right had any lights or any electricity, and none of the people on her left had any lights or any electricity, the house across the road didn't have any lights, and her son didn't have any lights. And they all were trying to figure out how she could have lights when the power lines were dead on both sides of her. They couldn't figure out how she had lights and none of them did.

That was a gift of the Lord God to her, a miracle.

Another time I had an urgent feeling that I needed to call and talk to her. So I picked up the phone and called her. As she answered she said the phone had been out all day, and that she was worried because some of her relatives were to have come to pick her up to take her fishing with them, but they had not come, and she could not reach them, because the phone was dead. We talked for about an hour, and at the end she said that now that the phone was working again that she could make her call. I drove over to see her two days later, and as I walked into her house, she told me that as soon as she hung up the phone from talking to me, that she picked it right back up and the phone was dead. And didn't start working again until just a half an hour before I arrived two days later. She said that the phone company told her that the reason her phone was dead was becouse a phone cable had been cut in an accident, and it took a while to put it all back together again.

Another miracle, She needed some one to talk to and God made the phone work for just that one call.

Another time she had a stroke, and was blinded. She said that she was lost in her own home that she had lived in for more than 50 years. She said that when her son came over to check on her, that he had to keep pounding on the door so that she could find the door. Weeks later she got back most of her sight, then she told me that the afternoon that she had lost her sight, all of it, that she lay on her bed, and had her son and several relatives around her bed, then she said that there appeared the prettiest face sitting on her chest, and it told her that she would see again. Then she said that she was afraid to say anything about that face until she did get her sight back.

Another miracle, and a visit from Jesus.

Today Joy is in heaven.

I just thought that some of you just might like to hear of these miracles.

It is always a blessing to hear some of these miracles, Jack.

I do have a question tho.

The face on her chest, since it did not have a body, could that have been a demon? I am not purposing anything, I am just a child of God learning, and the best way to learn is to ask questions.

I have been taught that angels do not need to morph because they have their own bodies, but that demons are blobs and morph and make fake miracles.

God Bless.

BlueRiverTributaries wrote:


God Bless you brother.

Those are good questions. Jesus, and or angels, can appear to men in anyway that they wish to appear, or as God desires them to appear on any occasion. Who is man that they can tell God, or the angels that they can only do it this way, or that way??

Demons have spiritual bodies, just as do any Angel. The Bible well documents the physical description of Satan (Ezek 28:12-19, Compare with Job 41 - Leviathan; Isaiah 14:12-16, 27:1 Compare with Rev. 20:2; Ps. 74:14, 104:26; Jn. 8:44; 1Pe. 5:8; Amos 9:3)

See http://www.barr-family.com/godsword/leviath.htm

As for fake miracles, Yes, Satan and Demons (who are fallen angels) can and does perform some miracles. This is witnessed with Moses and the Pharaoh's wise men and sorcerers, magicians (Ex. 7:8-13, 22, 8:7) who's rods all became serpents just as did the staff of Moses. But although the magicians were able to perform some miracles, they could not do all of them, they had limits. (Ex. 8:18-19) But make note that those miracles were Real miracles, and not fake miracles.

As my friend explained it to me about the face she saw, she saw only the Beautiful head, and Beautiful Face, sitting on her chest, as it spoke to her, and no one else around her could see, or hear, what Jesus Said to her then.. And No, that was Not a Demon. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that (the way that she explained to me) what she saw, and what spoke to her, was in fact Jesus Christ. She never did claim that it was Jesus, but only a beautiful face.

When you consider all the other miracles God performed for her, (and I did not list all of them) there can be no doubt that it was Jesus and not some kind of demon.

Such teachings as:

Are only the thoughts and ideas of men, who have taught other men this idea, who in turn teach other men. You can be absolutely sure that not one of them has ever seen either an Angel, or a Demon, even though they are surrounded by both of them. But somebody said it, so they believe and repeat, and repeat, and repeat.

Raymond, and others have been privileged to see both angels and demons. Yet in reading their writings they have never described a demon as being a Blob.

Thank you for your questions.

I have seen angels, for certain, and I also saw a face in the rose bush once, and when I told my pastor she said it was a demon because it had no body. I have never seen any blob things, come to think of it. Neither did I see any things coming out of me when I was being delivered.

I have no clue what is truth about this. Everyone says one and another thing, and the Bible is very suttle about this information. I have been going deep in the Bible, but I havent found it. I have prayed earnestly to God.

I just want to know what the Truth is so I can biuld on it. I know the Truth is Jesus Christ, that much I know, but the rest it seems to me, is fluidic.

I will take your answer before God in prayer, and ask Him if your answer is Truth or not, as you perscribed us to do, or if your answer can be more clear or deeper for me.

I just get so frustrated, and then I get a headache, with all this contrary information from the very people I trust. For me, God is hard enough to understand as He is. I want Him to fix that in me.

Also, I have got to get this off my chest. I do not approve of the deliverance I went through. The way they did it has been bothering everytime I am alone to think. The way they did it was wrong somehow, I dont care how deep of a children of God those two were. Now I have been trying to follow God with all my heart and soul as best I can, but what they did has just ruffled my spirit everytime I think back to those two nights. I know I need help, deep down inside, to fight off these demons, and I feel very strongly in the annointing following this. I have faith in God, I submit to His Will everyday. I don't know I don't know

God Bless you all

BlueRiverTributaries

BlueRiverTributaries wrote:

Right on Brother, That is always the Correct way, take it back to God for the truth, for it is only God who will always give you the truth on any matter.

Yes Brother, there is so very much contradictory information out there, everyone you speak to has a different belief and is going in a different direction.

And you brother, are going in the right direction.

May the Lord Continue to bless and keep you and yours.

blue , God bless and keep you and yours


I was wondering what you were talking about , about the two who cast demons out of you. Could you tell us that story , and why you think they did it wrong?

st_joel wrote: I was wondering what you were talking about , about the two who cast demons out of you. Could you tell us that story , and why you think they did it wrong?

Certainly. I go to an AWESOME third-day church here in Washington. THe LORD actually prophesied to me that He would put me in a church family. This is a great street church.

Once a year, a family ministry (two parents, two teenage children) who are travelling around the US and Canada, come to this church for revival. Now I didn't know that you could plan for a revival, I thought that they just happen. But I was told that these two are deep in the spirit and they will be stirring the Spirit so much that even demons will come out of the woodwork (an expression that the experience is going to be deep).

Revival was a four night event. Sunday night I went, because I love to get deep in the LORD. We did the usual, played worship songs, and then the two parents came up to the "stage" (more of a metal platform). They began their prophecying, and preaching the Word. Pretty usual.

Everyone went up to get a word for themselves from the LORD through these two. Pretty usual. It was also normal that people who were up there being prayed over would suddenly faint. I had seen that before, pretty usual. I went up, and they looked at me and then nodded to somebody and went to somebody else. I didn't think anything of it, after all, who knows the mind of the LORD?

So they come back to me, and prophesy to me, and we talk about some stuff. Then she tells me I have things in my room that the LORD has been telling me to get rid of, which is true, I had been lollygaggling around it. So I tell her ok, I will do it. Then the woman says to open my hands, like in a praise and worship position. She then put her arm on my stomach and said something like 'Satan, right now I command you to come out, in the name of Jesus. Break. All demons of (dont remember) break, in the name of Jesus." The next thing I know, it suddenly felt really good to say some pretty hateful stuff. This is not me, and quite frankly, surprised the whole congregation.

I had heard of demons, and that we are to fight them, like Raymond does, but I NEVER KNEW I had any in me. Looking back at my life though, I can see the manifestations. All of the rages, the sudden anger, the urges for different things, unclean thoughts. They were not me struggling with God, they were demons.

I mean, I was getting ready to punch her, the "it" that felt good to allow to control me was so angry. It was saying ugly things. I just let whatever feeling I had play out, and I guess they were demons coming out of me. And they STRUGGLED to leave. My pastor whom I trust also took part in the demon-pulling, and some of those demons struggled. I mean STRUGGLED. They were threatened to go before the throneroom of God, and I guess a few of them did, because legally they were to get out of me, and they would not leave. As I am told, they are in hell now, before their time.

So then afterwards, I faint, but really, I just fell into sleep mode, but I was still wide awake. They had I guess pulled out two demons, and however many little imps or whatnot, and so here I am on the floor for about an hour or so. My friends say it was way longer than an hour. I remember church service ending and here I am, on the floor, and no one is coming over to check on me. About another twenty minutes or so, and this guy comes over, and askes how I am doing. I am emotionally, physically drained, and so I say weakly, "....there's...one...more..."

As so he's like "Oh ma" and he goes and gets some people, and they do the same thing again. And I don't remember if the third one ever left, or if "it" just tricked them. Alot of stuff happened that night.

Afterwards, I felt like I had lost my equilibrium. You know when you are dizzy, and you walk like on a limp? Same thing here. (The weekend before, I had spent alot of time pulling weeds in the garden, and I knew God was giving me an analogy for something.) I felt like a weed had been pulled from my head down to my toes. I had a hole in my head! This lasted the entire day.

Still feeling the same way, I went to revival on Monday night. They prayed over me, annointed me, and then I went down. They then humiliate me in front of everyone. The woman says "If you ask him if he got that stuff out of his room, he will tell you no." So one guy from the church comes over and asks me, and I say "I tried". So I guess they can't pull stuff from me unless I lose bonds to it or something? How am I supposed to know this? A day before I had no idea I even had demons in me! Alot of stuff I don't remember happend that night, too. I think I broke a flag they had put over me. And I was DRENCHED in annointing oil, and they even had me swallow some of it to get the demons out. I was dehydrated, and I felt like throwing up. I almost did, too. I slept a little that night.

It was now Tuesday morning. So in fear, and unknowning, I zealously went through my room and bagged stuff I thought GOd was telling me to get rid of. I called in work and said I couldn't come in, I was feeling very sick, and this was true. So I really wanted these things pulled from me Tuesday night, and by 5pm I trash 8 bags of stuff from my room and truck off to church for Tuesday night.

When the time came for prophesying, I went up there, and allowed some others to go first, and when I was next in line, they suddenly tell everyone to return back the next night. Then they leave. I was in awe, and I thought, maybe tomorrow they will pull it out of me. (Incidentally, I slept like a baby and felt great!)

Nope. Wednesday night came and went, and nothing. The message that night was on being determined and specific in your desires for the LORD. So I thought, these two ARE NOT going to leave me like this. So I get on my knees before them, where they are sitting down, and I tell the wife "I will NOT be denyed a word from my Father."

I had to repeat the question, because she had not been listening or just didn't hear me (guess). So I do, and she says in a "like you'll be used for anything by God" sort of way, "God is wanting to let you know that breakthrough is coming."

Breakthrough? Who is going to show me what this is? How long do I have to wait for these demons to come out of me?

And that was the end of revival.





Here is why I am mad. I felt like I was going through surgery, and they gave no instruction before OR after. No one did. A day before I did not even think about demons, and now suddenly I am cursing and trying to hit people and they are pulling things out of me. Talk about culture shock. So I really wanted counselling, maybe a heads up. "Here, BRT, you have some demons in you. Here is what we are going to do, here is what we want you to do." I also wanted to know what to stay away from. No way am I going to let those "its" back into me, but they cut us loose, and left. All they said was "read the Word", which I have continued to do.

I am also mad because they were taking pictures. Demons being pulled from me seems like quite a personal experience, and I don't think its anyones business looking at pictures of me drooling on the floor. Later I asked them what they are going to do, and they said put those pictures on the website. I was too tired to fight with them, or ask them not to.

I am also mad because after Tuesday, they never smiled at me, except for the husband. And the daughter who is mid-teens, it was like pulling teeth when I tried to make a conversation with her. I felt like they had some malice against me or something. Aren't Christians supposed to be loving and caring regardless, so why, escpesially after what I went through, are they giving me the cold shoulder??





I want all these leftover demons to be pulled from me -ALL OF THEM-. I NEVER found in the Bible that Jesus left any demons in anyone He pulled from. He even pulled legion, and they went into a HERD of pigs. A WHOLE HERD. Then the man came to his right mind and acted like a normal person immediately after deliverance.

The ministers said I have to "disassociate" myself with several things. They also said to throw out the things God was telling me to throw out, but I think in my zealousness and fear I threw out normal things. This is why I wanted councilling on this.


The LORD directed me to a website that is very Spirit-filled.

www.demonbuster.com

I had actually ran into this a few years ago, and quickly put it out of my mind, what the site wanted us to get rid of. Now that I understand more about demons, I am thoroughly reading it.

If you want to rebuke me for being angry, have at it. Maybe I am being selfish, maybe I am right. But that is the deliverance encounter I went through last week. So when are these "its" going to be cleaned out FOR GOOD?

GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU AND YOURS

BlueRiverTributaries

Hi Brother BlueRiverTributaries, and everyone else who reads this.

I have been to http://www.demonbuster.com before, and I just checked it out again.

I would strongly recommend that you stay away from that site. From what they teach, I wouldn't trust them to cast a fly out of a pot of honey. From what I see on their site, and from what I have read on their site, if they are spirit led, it is NOT by the Spirit of the Lord God.

First off, It is an impossibility for anyone to cast a demon out of them self, as they teach. If you do have a demon Inside of you, then you are Possessed, and that demon has absolute control over you, and so that demon will not let you even say the command to cast them out. When you are Possessed by a Demon (have one inside of you) that Demon not only controls your thoughts, but has control over your body as well, note the demons throwing the child into the fire and water, (Mt. 17:14-15) and the Demons making the man cut himself. (Mk. 5:5) And the Demons showing super human strength in a man. (Mk. 5:3-4)

Just where in the Bible do you find where anyone who was Demon Possessed who was able to cast out their own Demon?? You won't find it because it just is not there. Even the Apostles had trouble casting out some demons. (Mt. 17:16) And Jesus said that some Demons can only be driven out in a certain way. (Mt. 17:21)

And their teaching that EVERY Christian has Demons inside of them, is most definitely a wrong teaching. For You cannot have the Holy Spirit and a Demon inside of you at the same time. God does not share with Demons.

But you most definitely can have demons outside of you who has a large measure of control over you, and those you can block their control over you, and cast them away from you.

The Demons outside of you will Oppress you. They can put ideas into your head, and try to lead you to perform sinful acts, but they cannot make you do anything, for the only control they can have over you is whatever control that you allow them to have. Those Demons you can get rid of yourself.

See http://www.barr-family.com/godsword/oppress.htm for how to be set free from Oppression and Bondage.

When I followed the directions in this article, I found that practices that I had been doing daily for over 50 years, I suddenly had no more desire to do them.

Thank you, godsword. I trust you. I will delete those pages I copied from demonbuster.com immediately.

God Bless

Jack is right. On our own we have no power and authority to do anything. I remember how it was when I had that demonic spirit, don't know if it was in me or just really near me. But my sexual lust would take control of me. It was so bad I would shake and I have no control over it. Now that I am the LORDs, it has no control over me. I do not shake out of control and the lust just dies. Sure the temptation comes around but when I turn to Jesus it just drops. It only gets strong when I take my eyes off of Jesus.

Your story is kind of interesting BlueRiver. Though if a demon really is still in you then I am very surprise that you are trying to seek God. When a demon is in you, it sort of does what it can to turn you away from God. Perhaps you are just oppressed like me. Two areas the devil attacks me is my mind and my heart. Two areas I know to be very careful of. I am sure Jack could tell you more of your situation then I could. I am still learning to listen to his voice. Hang in there man, it is a rough ride.

In Christ Jesus,
Say

It has gotten to the point that I half-listen to people in my congregation. Now I just go directly to God and help others where I can. Some are coming up to me, saying I have one more and that it hasn't left yet because I have bonds and attachments to something, and others (like my pastor) are saying that they all left the first day (that Sunday night, May 1).

Which would mean those traveling deliverers were WRONG.

Which probably explains how they treated me afterwards, avoiding me, not smiling at me. After all the stuff I went throught the second night (Mon May 2 was more intense than the first), they probably did not want to admit they made a mistake and have me get mad. Better to just shut me off and leave town.

I wouldn't have even gotten mad. They actually did me a great service, getting rid of things I didn't know I had in me. So I forgive them.

So why do I feel deep in the SPirit when a person in the congregation tells me there's one more, and I feel nothing in the SPirit when the Pastor tells me its gone? Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I trust more in my personal walk with Christ as a sovereign nation than I do with other people's advice from that church. God keeps telling me to keep walking, not worry, I am under His control. That is what the pastor told me too.

I just keep praying in tongues. THat seems to put things back in order.

Thank you all for listening,

BlueRiverTributaries

hi blue , sayin , and jack , God bless and keep you and yours

i want to talk to you for a second blue , to make some things clear to you , that it seems you already know. That you might be conforted and incouraged in your faith.

About 4 to 5 years ago i started seeking after the Living God. I wanted some things from God and i did not want to live anymore if He did not give them to me. So i sought after Him for a while . I began to learn of God through some books that answered bible questions , it was awesome to me because it answered alot of questions one would have , without haveing to read the whole bible to find them out. It was a great book for those wanting to Learn about God.

Well i began to seek after God in a differnt way , because i soon learned that God had His desires of me, and that if i wanted something of Him , then i would have to give myself to Him and learn of His ways.

Well for about 5 to 6 months i would say , I learned of God by reading that book first , then reading the bible as i grew in understanding , and aslo i watched tbn . About 6 months or so into seeking God , and growing in knowlege of Him , i was watching tbn one night. There was a man name bob larson on , and he was casting out devils . The whole thing looked so fake to me , how they were screaming and all , but i believed in God and in the Gospels so i believed it to be true.

Well that night on the program bob was talking about demons of fear and doubt. I shut my tv off and i prayed . I asked God in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to cast out of me the demons of fear and doubt. And just then i could not feel fear anymore , niether could i doubt!! it was amazing.

The next night i was watching again , when bob was speaking about how he would cast ALL of the demons out , just then it hit me , I shut my tv off and began to pray to God. I asked, if there be any demons in me cast them out of me in the name of Jesus Christ.

No sooner than i could finish praying and i felt a stiring in my mind , as if they were moveing around. I began to thank God and praise God as i sat there on my bed. For about 4 seconds or so this lasted , and just then this amazing peace and love fell upon me. It was so overwhelming that it was is if i was love and peace itsself. Again for about 4 sec this lasted , then the intencity of it died down , and i was left feeling light as air. My mind felt like a ton had been lifted off of it , and it was as if a blanket had been taken off of my mind so that it could breath , it felt so refreshing. For once i could think for myself!! I could control my thoughts! It was so awesome , that night i couldnt stop thanking and praiseing God for what He had done , and also i was so amazed that God is Truely Alive!

From that night on my heart was set on knowing God , talking with Him , knowing His Heart and Soul.

A few years i think it was , maybe one year , into seeking God after He had cast the demons out of me i had stumbled with sin much , but sadness and depression i had with aboundance. These devils came back to test me and to tempt me. However i do not believe that they reentered me , as i think it was jack who was telling you about that. These devils were so powerfull that they almost got me to doubt that God had cast demons out of me at all! They were that powerfull.

Anyways im saying this to you blue so that if your not sure that God cast them all out. Just ask God to in the name of Jesus Christ and He will surely do it!! You may not feel like He did , it may not seem like He did , but acording to His Word He will!! Other than that its upon you if you will give into them when they come to test you. Resist the devil and he will flee from you , Strenthen your Faith by Speaking the Truth of what God has done for you , if at anytime they come against you with doubt.

God loves you blue and surely has a plan for you. Unlike those who cast demons out of you , show kindness to both the good and the wicked. Love your enemy as well , never show such rudeness or disrespect to any , not even those who treat you with with rudeness and disrespect , for what we do unto the least of our brothers we do unto God.

Is it not God who casts devils out? Peace to you my brother , let the devil torment you no more in this , for of a sureity you are free of him.

God bless and multiply your wisdom and understanding of His Truth , for these days are dark , and the day of war draws nigh.

your brother
ken

when i had some trouble in my life once i was directed to two sites one was demonbusters the other was ray's site i am so glad i chose to go for ray's site for the other one is actually a demon site,and blue demons try to influence all of us at times ,and what those people did was try to show you they had some kind of power when they actually didn't ,then ignore you to get you mad and think what kind of christians are they so you would get disappointed in god ,they are the ones who are actually not following god's law,for if you love your neighbor you love all and want to help all ,people like that will wilt away in the presence of a true christian ,just keep your faith read the bible everday and come to this site and ask for prayer when you need it and i'm sure we will all pray for you and pray for you from our hearts ,for i know for a fact that prayers to the lord work ,maybe not when we think they should be answered but when god thinks they should be answered
yours in christ mark

Your responses have been overwhelming and greatly encouraging. I definitely would like prayers for myself, but I do not ask selfishly.

I have never before felt vulnerability, and a few other feelings that I have heard other people talk about, but I myself never really went through them. Now that I have been delivered of ALL my demons, I feel, well, naked.

It is a strange feeling, to go deep in Christ-love with a person at church, to be open. I mean, you could take a sword at that moment I was open, and it would have HURT. But I know that I know that this was how we are designed to walk and live, open and vulnerable and in relationship. God is incredible.

Thank you all for your support. It is greatly appreciated. You are indeed helping with a good work of Christ in me.

God Bless all of you and save you during tribulations,

BlueRiverTributaries