Hi Ray, long time no see!

To All: Do you know?

1) What is the command of the Father to those who follow Jesus?
2) Who are the 7 enemies of Jesus?
3) How to use the power of God?

I would like to know if you know the answers to these questions. Please don't make long answers. As many people as possible. I will give answers at a later date.

Bill in OZ

Dear bill,

Here are some answers:

1) To listen to Him, meaning to hear and obey. (Deuteronomy 18:15)

2) 1. The devil (Genesis 3:15, Matthew 13:39, Revelations 20:10)
2. The beast (Revelations 19:20, Revelations 20:10)
3. The false prophet (Revelations 19:20 Revelations 20:10)
4. The angels that sinned (2 Peter 2:4, Revelations 20:13-14)
5. Hell (Revelations 20:14)
6. Death (1 Corinthians 15:26, Revelations 20:14)
7. Those whose names are not written in the book of life (Romans 8:7, Revelations 20:15)

3) In Christ by the Holy Spirit as God wills for His glory. (Zechariah 4:6, 1 Corinthians 1:27-29, 1 Corinthians 12)

Thanks.

-
Noah Kinderknecht

i like your anwers noah

Hi Nkind and All,

Thank you for your answers. I was hoping for a few more to get a feel for what people believe and know out there. I have submitted below my answers and look forward to what people say?

1) What is the command of the Father to those who follow Jesus?
The command is 'Listen to Him' meaning to listen to Jesus as the ultimate truth, from Matt 17:5, Mark 9:7, and Luke 9:35, which is 1 of the 3 times the Father speaks in the New Testament.
Jesus said Matt4:4 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God', also we are to listen to the Holy Spirt
"Rev2:11 He who as an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches".

The gold in the bible are the words of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The silver in the bible are the words of the prophets and apostles. (a revelation).
God says in Zephaniah 1:11 "All who trade with silver will be ruined". First focus on God's words, and then the prophets/apostles words, for Jesus words are the ultimate truth.

The Father wants us to listen to Jesus FIRST!

2) Who are the 7 enemies of Jesus? (All these can be found in the church).

1. Satan (Devil), He is already defeated by Christ! We also can become like Satan to Jesus like Peter did in Matt 16:23 when we don't have in mind the things of God!
2. Pharisees, are those who say and do not do.
3. Sadducees, are those who don't believe in the spirit / Spirit or the resurrection.
4. Herodians, are those who are political manipulators.
5. Balaamites, are the prophets for proft.
6. Jezebelians, (opposite of Balaamites) are those believe they should suffer and kill for the King (Jesus). (Like the Catholic Church).
7. Nicolaitions, are those who mix the old and new covenant teachings together, mixing old and new wine. Jesus hates the practices of the Nicolations.
When we take communion, we drink the blood of Christ, and therefore we are cut off from the law. (Nicolations are from Acts 6:5"Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism - he was not a convert to Christ! Why was he there?).
We can all have traits of these enemies in our own lives, and therefore we should be in continual repentance and the Holy Spirit will grow us to remove these traits from us.

3) How to use the power of God?

Jesus said in Matt 7:24 "Therefore who ever hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Practice of Jesus words is the key to working with the Holy Spirit. How often do you spend practicing what Jesus did? healing the sick, casting out demons, multiplying bread and fish (what you have), changing water into wine? When the Beast stops all trade to those without the 'Mark', how will you survive unless you have practiced.
John 14:12 anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father". Question for all - what are the greater things of Jesus? Jesus has done the greatest thing, we are to do great things like Jesus, and Jesus has left us the gretaer things to do - have they been done? Luke 18:8 However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith?
Success is granted by the LORD, but we must be faithful and practice. I have had very limited success, but my spiritual growth has been great. I look forward to the days to change water into blood, or make it clean to drink. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Power. Get to know the Holy Spirit, and receive Him (as Jesus said), like a king!

I hope this is thought provoking, and strengthens you to know Jesus better.

Hello bill in oz,

I don't like your posting and your reply very much and there are two reasons for that:

first, I don't like that you turn your knowledge of the bible into a quiz and ask people to go for it like in Who wants to be a millionaire. If you have an interesting thought or want to share knowledge then write directly what you have to say but don't do this quizmaster - participant nonsense with the big and surprising solution reveiled at the end. You are not the quizmaster and I'm not the quizmaster, we both know who the real quizmaster is.

second, and this is what really annoys me: you make false statments about my christian denomination as I am Roman Catholic. You make a general and also wrong statement, you don't give any timely or historical context and even lack one single example to "proof" your statement. I will not start a discussion about the Roman Catholic Church with you and will not reply if you try to do so. I will not to do because then we both would be Pharisees, discussing for the lust of discussion. But I have to tell you that you have no reason and right whatsoever to call me an enemy of Jesus! The Roman Catholic Church consists of its members and if the Church was an enemy of Christ, I also would be.

So your wish didn't come true in the end. Your statement was not provoking thought but anger and did not help me to know Jesus better.

Fred wrote:


Hi there Fred,

you said "and I'm not the quizmaster, " Well I do have to agree with you there!! You do not know enough about the Bible to be a Quizmaster. For if you did, you would not be attacking "Bill in Oz".

Asking the questions is a traditional and time honored way of teaching the Bible, as people then search the Bible to find the answers, learing the Bible. And to teach the Bible we have all been commanded.

You said " you make false statments about my christian denomination as I am Roman Catholic. You make a general and also wrong statement," To begin with, there was nothing said about the little man who sits in a pew, but instead refers to the ruling class of the Church. My friend Fred, you do not know your own church history, and to write down all the documentation would result in another book which is beyond the scope of this list. History has proven the statement of "Bill in Oz" as being true about those in the Catholic Church being "6. Jezebelians, (opposite of Balaamites) are those believe they should suffer and kill for the King (Jesus). (Like the Catholic Church). " For the Catholic Church has practiced genocide, and did kill off anyone who opposed them and their teachings. I do not say it, History said it. Yet you would deny History.

Well my friend Fred, you do indeed sound just like a Pharisee, trying to nit-pick at something that was not said, only saying it to yourself, for what you are claiming was NOT said by "Bill in Oz."

And before you go off accusing me of not knowing anything about the Catholic church, let me be the first to tell you that I was raised in the Catholic Church, Went to Catholic Schools, served as altar Boy, married in the Catholic Church, all my Children were baptized in the Catholic Church, and had a brother who studied for the Priesthood. And I can, and WILL tell you that there are very few Catholics (Bless their souls) who have read the Bible!!! My relatives all believe that they have heard all the Bible when they go to church on Sunday, which is far from the truth. I have studied the Full Catechism of the Catholic Church, I have researched the history of the Catholic Church all the way back through the Early Church Fathers and also most of the printed writings of the different popes. Now, maybe you have also, but if you have then you do not sound like you did.

When I was young, we were taught by the nuns and priests, that the only true Bible was the Catholic Douay-Challoner Bible, and that all others were false. Well my friend, If you were to look in the front of the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" The Liturgical Press, printed 1994, with the "Imprini Potest" by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, you will see that they have discarded the Douay Bible, and all scriptures use in their Catechism are now taken from "The Revised Standard Version of the Bible" copyrighted in 1946, 1952, 1971, and 1989. Don't you even know that "The Standard Version" of the Bible came out as a Protestant Bible many years ago, and the Revised Standard Version is still used by many Protestants, and the Catholic Church has now adopted the use of this Protestant Bible as their own.

There are many, many good Catholics which do have salvation from the Lord God Jesus Christ.

My Friend Fred, why is it that so very many of you automatically assume that none of us knows or understands anything about Your Church or any of the other Churches in the world??


My friend Fred, you jump and dance from your own conscience, and not by anything which "Bill in Oz." has said, for Bill only spoke the truth, and you don't seem to like the truth.

Dear All,

There is a quiz coming, and it is called Judgement Day! How do you prepare for judgement day? (That is if I don't make it into the 1 st resurrection Rev20:4-6) By practicing, and I am trying to practice for judgement day, even by asking questions.
Also Jesus asked thought provoking questions, which are found in the 4 Gospels. So, are you ready for the Quizmaster on judgment day? Can you answer Jesus's questions?
There are those who are happy enough to hear and believe the Gospel preached by Jesus, and go no further in God, and salvation is their's because Jesus said it.
But there are those who want to go deeper in to the things of God. This is the difference between children of God, and mature sons and daughters of God, who want to become more like Jesus.
The Father is looking for sons in the image of Jesus, and since the first apostles (who I believe lost the power) there have been none who have come close to this, except maybe the apostle Paul.
There are many in the body of Christ who are happy with faith only. There are those in the body who are happy with knowledge only. Paul writes (I use NIV mostly 1 Corinth8:1) that 'knowledge puffs up, but love builds up'.
Faith by itself is blind faith, and it is dangerous, as it does not lead to greater knowledge of God. Jesus said Matt 15:14 "If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit".
Faith and Knowledge are supposed to work together to build you up into love and understanding! Into a tree of righteousness, a planting of the Lord.
I will say that many Christians are happy with a simple Christian life(a life in Christ of blind faith), but have they read in Proverbs 1:22-33 what wisdom says?
"How long will you simple ones love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?" It is worth the read.

I am pleased that we aren’t going too deep into the Catholic Church history, as Jack Barr has opened up on this well enough, and no more needs to be said.
The 7 enemies of Jesus are primarily attitudes in the heart of men and women, who are in the church. There are attitudes in the church of the Sadducee,
as they don't want the Holy Spirit there and they don't welcome Him. There is the attitude of the Balaamites in the prosperity teaching of give God a dollar and then owes you 100 (or some variation of that).
(Jesus said 'those who have, more is given', and 'freely you have received, freely give'. So why do people sell revelations and songs given freely by God to us ?).
There is the Pharisees attitude in the church of 'we want to listen to Jesus, but Paul is more interesting and suits our purposes' to the point where the apostle Paul is worshiped in the hearts of men.
There is a church who practices and holds to the teachings of the Nicolaitions mixing the teaching of ''keeping the seventh day holy' in with the Gospel of Christ, which is like the first church said you must be circumcised to be saved!

Everyone should ask themselves to see if they are on the right track 'Am I listening to Jesus or to someone else'.
When I don't listen to Jesus, then 'Yes' I am an enemy of his, BUT grace is given to us to repent of these attitudes and move into greater revelation of God, and into more righteousness.

Fred, I am sad that you said that you did not get to know Jesus better. Were you listening to me or Jesus? You should not care what I write. So now, I encourage you to not believe me, you go and read what Jesus said.
I would recommend that you sit down with a new bible (don't use a paraphrase edition, only use a translation edition), and highlight every world that Jesus said.
Highlight with a high lighting pen every word God has said, and every word the Holy Spirit has said. Then you will personally start to know what they have said. Then don't stop at one copy, keep doing it over and over, and this will strengthen you.
About your third copy of highlighting (this is my experience), the Holy Spirit will come and start speaking to you, showing you things in the bible that God wants you to know about. Set a time of about 3 months per bible! Eat His word.
What is eternal life? "John 17:3 "Now, this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

Hello Bill in Oz and Rev. Barr,

thanks for your feedback to my posting. I don't share your opinion and think your postings are both wrong.

1) Making a bible quizz is not a bad thing. But providing wrong answers definitely is!

First, the questions are misleading. Who says that the enemies of Jesus are limited? Who says they are countable? Isn't their name legion? Then - the meaning of enemy is never made clear. How do you define enemy? Is it a person? A human? An attitude? A thing in the past? A thing present? Very important for me and on this I would be interested in your opinion: Is a sinner an enemy of Jesus? No.

Second, the answer is wrong. To this I will come in part 2)

So before we start making a quiz about the number of enemies of Jesus then we first should take care that we ourselves are not enemies of Jesus. If Jesus is on our side we anyhow don't have to be afraid - whether there are seven or sevenhundred. And if he is on our side we also don't have to rush to identify his enemies as he is much better in that. But if we try identifying them we should not limit ourself by the question: so the question has to be: who are the enemies of Jesus and not: who are the seven enemies of Jesus. By limiting your numbers you are not doing a good job as you will induce the others to fit their search to the number and not to the truth.

2) Very short: the Roman Catholic Church is not an enemy of Christ. Full Stop. Whoever says the opposite is not saying the truth.

I told you before that I don't see any sense in discussing this (I will state the reason under point 3)). I have heard hostile comments about my church as long as I can think. Most of it is hot air - as soon as you drill a bit down you come to Urban Legends level and a high level of ignorance. People are very quick to fire against my church because it seems to be an easy target and the easiest way to get acclaim. Bill of Oz, you havn't given a single good point for your accusation. You even tried to hide it away in braces - maybe hoping you could get through with nobody realising it. Rev. Barr, you misslead the readers: first, you also retreat to "general knowledge", then you suddenly decide to differentiate between "ruling class" and "pew sitters" - so the "ruling class" are enemies of jesus and some (but few) "pew sitters" are saved? Nonsens! We are one church and we all belong to it whether we are priests or layman. And then you even manage to do the trick to jump to the past. Do we have dead priests sitting in our churches? Is our pope 500 years old? In total your reply lacks inner logic - the Roman Catholic Church is an enemy of Jesus but some members are saved? How can a house devided by itself...? The truth is: our church has sinned and we know this. We are asking God and man for forgiveness whereever possible and we hope for redemption because we are entiltled to this hope. We are trying everything not to do the sins of the past again. In these days the Roman Catholic church is a loud voice calling for peace in the whole world, the end of wars, the stopping of Genocides. My church is unanimously calling for an end to abortions and a complete stop to death-penalty. The last sentence of any such calling is always giving hope to the sinners to stop sinning and ask Jesus for forgiveness. No sinner is so bad that he could not receive redemption and a remorseful sinner will not be rejected.

3) Now to the reason why it doesn't make sense to discuss the Pros and Cons of the Roman Catholic Church in this forum. We all suffer a lot under a wound in the body of Christ: that the body of Christ is split into many denominations and we are not one. If we do not stop waisting our energy on mangling each other with useless or wrong accusations the devil will devour us all. We are not defined through the difference to another denomination but by our love to Christ. Nobody of us knows how to close the gap between the denominations - this is beyond our power. We have to leave this to our prayers and to the work of the Holy Spirit. Bill in Oz and Rev. Barr, this is the main reason why both your postings are wrong. In your postings you are not working for the unity in the body of Christ, but for the opposite - and in this you lack both: love and the Holy Spirit.

Fred,

You are not looking for truth, You run away from the truth, you wish to hide from the truth, so be it.

Fred, what you have shown by your last post is that you are searching for an argument, you wish to debate, and that says that you will turn and twist any truth in your attempt to best your opponents, for you only care about winning. To you, it does not matter if it is true or not, as long as you can win. So be it. You go back to God and debate HIM, if you can. The truth remains the truth even if you do not believe it. The truth remains the truth even after you reject it. You are indeed like the Pharisee who rejected all that Jesus told them. So be it saith the Holy Lord God Jesus Christ.

You would not believe if Jesus Christ Himself came down and stood face to face with you and told you, you would want to debate with Jesus also because what Jesus said did not agree with what your church has taught you.

Fred, stop following your Church, Stop following your Priest, and START Following JESUS CHRIST. For there is NO salvation in your church, or in any other church in the world. There is NO salvation through any man in the world. For Salvation is only through Jesus Christ.

This is my last word to you on ProphecyLink.

Hi everybody
With due respect, since this site seems to be mostly about Ray's prophecies, haven't those engaging in the denominational quibbling noticed that the prophecies say about a couple hundred times to quit the denominational quibbling and pull the church together, since there is only one body of Christ?

I know, I know, there are some off teachings happening in a lot of churches but to point the finger and say "it's those Catholics" or "it's those Baptists" who've got it all wrong, well it's like the foot is criticizing the hand for not being a foot. Churches are made up of human beings, who are not free from sin.

M

Hi Melanie, And also Fred and Jack,

Thank you very much for your active participation.

I believe there will be no demoninations when Jesus returns, so why hold onto their traditions and teachings? Yes, I do go to a church, to meet with others, but Jesus is what it is all about, and I only go there to encourage other to LTH (Listen To Him). I shun all teachings of men, unless the Holy Spirit wants me to read something, which has not been for the past 5 years.

Unity in the body of Christ will only come when all listen to Jesus perfectly and all of mens traditions and invalid teachings are thrown out, and church goers are taught how to LTH (Listen To Him), and the Holy Spirit!

So, no organisation of man is going to pull the body of Christ together, as 2000 years of history shows this very well. Why defend any church organisation when it sets rules and limits what an individual can do for God? We can use them to grow and learn, but it is time we focus back to the very basics on an individual level. It is time to abandon the denominationation teachings, focus back only on what Jesus said, and allow all to become like Christ.

You would not have to defend yourself if you were listening to JESUS ONLY. And you would not get angry if you knew you were doing what the Father has asked. Jesus said not to get angry with your brother, and Fred is a brother in Christ, and he is saved too.

My original point was to only point out that some teachings in the Catholic Church were inclined towards the Jezebelians, and it was in no way to defame the organisation itself. Just like the Pentecostal church has people who teach on the properity which leans towards the Balaamites.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE, GROW UP IN CHRIST. FORGET YOUR DENOMINATION, AND LISTEN TO JESUS ONLY. START PRACTICING WHAT JESUS DID.[/b] Jesus fed the poor using the power of God, and not the power of money. Practice until God can trust you with power, for the Beast is coming, there will be no money unless you accept the mark.
No denomination will stand without power! And because every denomination has factions with in it, they won't stand.
Go back and read the translations of the 4 gospels, and see how Jesus dealt with problems, then look and see if you are going things the same way.

melanie wrote:


Hi Melanie,

I welcome you to ProphecyLink.

This site is indeed about the Prophecies from Raymond, and we make note that there are over 130 prophecies which tells us directly to read and study the Bible Daily, and over 55 Verses in the Bible which tells us to read and study the Bible, which is the Word of God.

Therefore, Bill in oz was fulfilling both the Bible, and the Prophecies, when he posted a quiz to help others study the Bible. And that is about the Prophecies.

And to take exception to that obeying of the Prophecy, and to be offended by that bible study guide, was rejecting both the Bible, and rejecting the Prophecies.

For any of us to NOT stand in defense of the study of the Bible, and of the Truth which was spoken by Bill, would be in effect the denial of the Word of God, which would be the denial of Jesus Christ himself.

As for your post, I Thank you for your post, I believe that almost all of us agree with you about not engaging in "Denominational Quibbling" for the Holy Lord God Jesus Christ never ever set up any denomination, and the Bible itself tells us to not have any divisions among ourselves. 1Cor. 1:10 The Apostolic Church had NO Divisions, It was one church. It has been man who has made these divisions. And the Lord God will again have a Church with no divisions in the very near future, for the Lord is making up that church body right now, pulling the believers out of the Organized Churches even now. And the Prophecies have told us that is what the Lord is doing.

But I must point out that speaking the truth is NOT Quibbling!!! Only denying the truth is.

Should we deny speaking the truth so that we may not hurt some one's supposed feelings??? In answer to that I must point out that Jesus Never failed to speak the truth, even though it made many hate him and plot his death, and tried to kill him several times before they succeeded.

It is NOT LOVE when we do not speak the truth. For the word tells us that the Word, which is Truth, will set us free. Jn. 8:32 It is the denial of truth which will bind us.

The only thing spoken by Bill in oz post, and in my post, above are proven Historical Truths. They are not made up stories. Those histories of the Catholic Church is OUR History too. It is not just Their history, for much of that history happened before the split off into several parts. To deny and reject those truths would be a lie. Not one of us likes that history, but we cannot change it, and if we all deny that history, then that history will be repeated again in the future. For that is the way of man.

It is true that many, not only in the Catholic Church, but in some others also, believe that they must physically suffer for Jesus on this earth. I said some, I did not say all, and neither did Bill in oz. So the suffering part is true. How many times have they shown in films and pictures of Catholics who made a pilgrimage walking on their knees until the very flesh was worn and ripped off of their knees while they thought they were in need of suffering for Jesus, and so deliberately set out to suffer. Maybe you never saw those pictures but I, and many others have. The Catechism of the Catholic Church leads one to believe that they have to suffer physically in order to complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions, in Catechism item #1508 it says in part, " and that the sufferings to be endured can mean that 'in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his Body, that is the Church." So when it is said that Catholics believe in suffering for Jesus, it is not Quibbling as you say, but rather is stating a fact and a truth of the beliefs of many Catholics.

And as for the killing part, History proves that is true also.

Saying that those are True Facts, does in no way equate to quibbling over beliefs of Doctrines!!!!

Saying that you drink water, does not equate to argue over the merits of drinking water. It is only stated as a true fact, and nothing more.

The only Quibbling was done by Fred who wished to take offence to the speaking of a truth.

Now having had my say, I would hope that you will indeed post again, on every and any subject.

Rev Barr:
What you say about Catholic doctrine of needing to suffer for Christ is interesting, especially in light of the modern, and IMHO very American, "prosperity theory" (I want to use the word "nonsense" here since I don't feel it is scripturally valid) frequently spouted by televangelists.

I was going to an evangelical church for a while and I kept meeting people there who would talk about Catholics as if they weren't Christian, or who would just say that Catholics aren't really Christian. Sortof like how people talk about Mormons. I recently went to a prophecy class at this church and they were teaching straight up that the "Mystery Babylon" in the book of Revelations is the Catholic Church that will be moved to Babylon when they find the bones of St. Peter in Babylon. The person who gave this lecture was a Baptist theologian who apparently was one of the advisors for the "Left Behind" series. This guy was also saying that Tarshish was England and when I asked how he knew that, he said "because I said so". Needless to say, I was not very impressed with the class. Maybe you have some input on that? I've read elsewhere that Tarshish may be in Spain, India, Cornwall - I am gathering that people don't really know where it is. Maybe not until archeologists dig it up, like they did with Ur, Troy, and Babylon.

All this anti-Catholic stuff coming from other Christians really bothers me even though I am not Catholic. It seems a bit arrogant. On the other hand, the Catholic church has the same tendency in the opposite direction (does not give communion to people who are not Catholic, even if you are Eastern Orthodox or Anglican which are relatively similar).

Melissa (Melanie is just my login)

Hi melanie,

Let me give an answer in red text within the copy of your post. I think that you will find how much that I do agree with you.

melanie wrote:

Dear All,

as we all have agreed that the Roman Catholic Church is not an enemy of Christ and that it is much better to concentrate on the Body of Christ there is no need to continue this discussion anymore.

I have to admit that during the discussion with some of you I learned a lot about me, my relation to Jesus and my personality:

1) I don't know my own church history.
2) I'm jumping up and down from my own conscience.
3) I did not get to know Jesus better.
4) I should sit down with a new bible.
(How do you know my bible is not new?)
5) I'm not looking for truth, running away from truth & wish to hide from the truth.
6) After telling two times that I do not wish to start a discussion about the Roman-Catholic Church I get convinced that I wish to debate.
7) It does not matter to me if something is true or not as long as I can win.
I should get back to God and debate with him.
9) I'm a Pharisee.
10) I would not believe if Jesus Christ Himself came down and stood face to face with me and told me.

The points 1 - 9 were already quite surprising for me but if these words are not from your own but from God, I have to accept them and will improve. Well, for the last I have to say: such a reaction would astonish me even more than Jesus.

Dear Rev. Barr, please stick to your word, that this is your last word to me on ProphecyLink - at least for this thread. Please don't scold me again for making this posting extending the list of my inequities: the Lord allowed me to do that. And on that you can ask him.

Yours in Christ