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Do I understand correctly? 6 years ago #2433

  • Sylvain
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I was reading prophecy 73 and the interpretation.

Prophecy 73, 534
Russia, which is the pig, will start the war with the Owl on July 30th of an unknown year in the near future. You can expect the atomic bombs to fall on the United States within months of that date. This will then become a world War.

When this war starts, I, Jehovah will give you what you need to know so that you may save yourself from the pigs and the bombs.


Another prophecy from you Rev. Barr tells us that America will be invade before the april, 20th 2007.

Then, the July 30th must be the one just coming. We will see the Bear and the Owl go to war in Egypt.

Am I mistaken?

Re: Do I understand correctly? 6 years ago #2444

  • godsword
My Friend Sylvain,

We certainly will find out on, or about, July 30 0f this year of 2006 won't we?? No, you are not mistaken. You have read both right, and has put the prophecies together. IF the Lord has given to me the information which I then posted as prophecy, then it will indeed come to pass. And if it does not, then I will be a false prophet, and deserving of the fires of hell.

We know that Raymond's prophecies are of the Lord, and we will soon find out if the prophecy which I gave was of the Lord God or not. And if not, then I will be on my face before the Holy Lord God begging forgiveness.

Thank you Sylvain for this posted letter.

May the Will of the Holy Lord God Jehovah be done.

Jack Barr


Sylvain wrote:
I was reading prophecy 73 and the interpretation.

Prophecy 73, 534
Russia, which is the pig, will start the war with the Owl on July 30th of an unknown year in the near future. You can expect the atomic bombs to fall on the United States within months of that date. This will then become a world War.

When this war starts, I, Jehovah will give you what you need to know so that you may save yourself from the pigs and the bombs.


Another prophecy from you Rev. Barr tells us that America will be invade before the april, 20th 2007.

Then, the July 30th must be the one just coming. We will see the Bear and the Owl go to war in Egypt.

Am I mistaken?

Re: Do I understand correctly? 6 years ago #2447

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I would be a liar if I would say that my faith in those prophecies is not tried these days. I look at the timeline you gave and see so many things that must happen before this date and I must admit that I have a hard time believing that they will all happen.

Also, not even one person I know believes I am right about all this. It makes me sometimes think I am full of pride and stubbornness. But how can I trust them? They won’t even look. They won’t even read the prophecies and read the Bible and try to find out what is the truth. They really think that it doesn’t matter what they believe.

But I must say that I believe anyway that they will be fulfilled and I am warning people that it is very close.

God Bless You

Sylvain

Re: Do I understand correctly? 6 years ago #2448

  • godsword
My Friend Sylvain,

I stand with you.

I know that when things start to happen, that they will happen like dominos going down, so fast one right after the other, and no stopping them once they have started happening.

I too have looked back at the time line, and even though I am convinced that it was the Holy Lord God Jesus Christ which gave both the interpretations and the time line itself, as a man, I still say to myself, how can this happen this way? As a man I can and do have doubts, for Satan works on me constantly to bring me down.

Then the Lord brings back to my memory the times of giving me visions, times of when He walked with me, showing me the hem of his garment as I moved around, Times of His speaking to me where there can be no doubt that it was the Lord God who spoke.

There has been so very many more things which I believe that the Lord has shown me, of things which are to happen in the future. Of which I have not spoken of except only some of it to a very very few close friends, to whom I write, but have never met.

My friend, it all hangs on what will happen in the next few months, as it all having been of the Holy Lord God, or of myself.

I stand firm that it was of the Lord God. Yet as a man I wait to see some of what I was told will happen, actually happen. For the very happening of a couple of these items will verify all the rest.

As I look upon the Prophecy time line, I see that the first item was that the war in heaven started. This has been confirmed by the Prophecies of Raymond, where the Lord told Ray that it had started and the date that it had started.

On the second item in the line, we have the prophecy that Ray would have a wife and 2 children. At the time of the Prophecy, Ray had no prospects. But look at how long it took, and the Prophecy was fulfilled, for Ray now has a wife, married on 2/10/2000. Then having the two children. The first child, Jason, born 7/13/2002, and the second child, Nathan, born on 5/20/04. So it took a long time for the second item to be fulfilled.

The third item in the line, is a prophecy given on 1/18/1996 which had the number 15 in it as the primary prophecy, but also that the number 15 was, in the prophecy, broken down into two parts. The first of 5, and the second of 15. We see that the number of 5, if as we believe is years, then coincides with the year 2001. It was in Jan 2001 that George Bush was sworn in as President of the United States. 5 years from the giving of the Prophecy. The significance?? As Bush became President, it was the Republican party which took over the power in American Politics. There are many other prophecies which state that it would be the Republican party which would be in power at the end, and that it would be the Republican party which would bring about the destruction of America. So I believe that the 5 year point has now been shown to have been fulfilled.

So what is 10 years later, which is still to come. That would be the year 2011. So what is to happen in 2011? I don't know, and my speculations I will keep to myself. But I see that date fitting in to a few other prophecies, not just of Ray, but of other prophets as well.

So that brings us to the 4th item on the time line. There would be a miracle performed which the whole world would see and recognize as being of God.

I believe that has been fulfilled with the Sunatra Earthquake which created the massive Tsunami which hit southern Asia. So massive, yet it was not the number of people killed, nor the amount to damage caused. The miracle was that there was no animals or birds which were killed, for it was found later that all the animals and birds had left the area. Hundreds of miles where there was no animals or birds left in the area that was flooded. That was noted by all the world. They all stood up an took notice of how strange it was, and that it had to have been the hand of God that brought it about. Then they all forgot about it again. My friend, I believe that the forth item on the time line has also been fulfilled.

That brings us to the 5th item in the time line. The oil sales stopping and the world economy stopping. That is yet to come, But what are you seeing out there right now?? How close do you think we are to that happening?? For myself, I see the economy of America in a nose dive. I did not say stock market, I said economy. And I see how shaky the American money is in relation to the rest of the world. I see other nations starting to move from the American dollar to the Euro as the world wide currency. When that switch is made, the oil will stop and the economy of the world will collapse.

From there on, they will all be fulfilled so fast that I do not believe that any one of us will be able to keep up with what is happening or of when it happened. So how long it will take for all this to happen before the war hits us, Only God Knows. I don't. It could be months, could be days, could be hours.

But I do note that the time between each of the items on the time line became shorter and shorter between each one that was fulfilled. So I can only believe that this shortening of time between each item will become so short as to be virtually all happening at the same time.

I myself have often looked at the time line, and wondered about it. For I have seen, even when the time line was being laid out, that it was a puzzlement. I was without understanding why this should be before that, or why that would be grouped this way, rather than that way. But I was absolutely sure that it was the Holy Lord, who did control, and lead me to place each item of the time line in the proper order of its happening, even if I did not understand why or how.

Again My Friend Sylvain, I thank your for your letter, for I do believe that it was the Lord God which led you. It is time to be ready, and if you are ready, then what happens, or when it happens, or how it happens does not matter. To know what will happen, is only to help lead others to the Lord, to help to lead them to become ready.

Re: Do I understand correctly? 6 years ago #2449

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I stand with you too.

Never in my life have I felt the Lord so strongly as I have since finding Ray's website. Doubt and fear are hard to overcome, but in the last year or so, the Lord has allowed me to go through massive personal tribulation (I believe) to prepare me for what is to come. I have been forced onto my knees to totally trust HIM - and HE IS COMPLETELY FAITHFUL. I can't say that this refining process has been fun....oy....but I am praising HIS name daily for it!

Time is definately short. The "urgency" feeling for me started back in 2003 and it is so massive now that it is on my mind every day (mostly all day). Every time I turn on the TV, or the radio - or just get up in the morning, I am expecting something. It is THAT strong. I find myself thanking the Lord and repenting several times a day. This behavior is new for me - I was never an "alarmist". This is ALL GOD. The Holy Spirit has also made my discernment become much sharper these days.

I get so much from these discussions! Rev. Barr - I actually carry around a list I have made of the order of events you put together from Ray's Prophecies so I can refer to them when these discussions come up. Do you know what is meant by "Texas will be second of the Beast?"

Also, Rev. Barr, I would be very interested in any other insights/thoughts you have regarding these unfolding events. You can email me privately if you wish with whatever the Lord instructs.

Thank you and God bless!

Cheryl

Something is up 5 years, 11 months ago #2458

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Good afternoon all,

I found this website last week after searching for someone, anyone who has heard or seen some of the things I have seen. There are to many to describe here, but they all speak to Jesus VERY SOON return. I am seaching and there are so many people saying so many things... there are some well respected people (prophets) who are giving words that say things are getting better, and there are many years to come. This doesn't match up with what the Lord dropped on me one day, out of ther clear blue, and the many things I haveheard and seen since!! There was a voice that said if I complete this assignment then I will be the False Prophet! I am nearly 100% sure that was Satan, but I must admit a small amount of fear is still there.

When he spoke to me in September 2004 he gave me a number (of years), although I don't know what it is for.

I agree with you brother because I have seen the city I live in destroyed -as I drove down the street and blinked, I saw what it will look like at some time in the future. Jesus is coming, and we don't have a decade left. ( I only say this because if I said the number that was in me, many would faint) Demons have been in my house on several occassions, and I had to continue to pray and fight, just to stay awake. This is all VERY new to me, and on one hand I KNOW I have to say this thing, DO this thing, but I wonder... what if I am wrong? What if I made this up?

Well, I guess this is what true faith is... the substance and evidence. I must hang on to it. Please pray for me; I am going to complete this assignment in June. Whatcome after that, only the Lord knows.

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2461

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welcome to the forum,i will pray for you
yours in christ mark

Betterjmm, No one knows when Jesus will return 5 years, 11 months ago #2515

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36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2516

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Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2517

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i can't speak for others ,but ray's site is the only site the lord directs me to,and also 99% of the members here are true christians ,so why look elsewhere,for the lord is here ,within us,and thru one or the other god lets us know what we need to know
yours in christ mark

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2518

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Good evening Mark,

I hope that I didn't offend you. For the sake of space alone, I only attached a link to the scriptural study I was referring to. I am glad that you feel safe here within this community, as have I, so far. While I understand your caution with other sites, I am not ready to give up on everything and dedicate my study and thought solely to this or any other site. If I had, I would have never found you guys! Like I said, I am new at this, but do you think that kind of thinking, if not kept in line with Biblical teaching could turn into idolatry where the attention is more on what is being said here than what the Holy Spirit is saying? I don't doubt the sincerity of the members here, or Mr. Ray - I guess what I am saying is that the only person I will put complete 100% unconditional stock in is Jesus.

I am not taking ANYTHING away from this site at all, but I was reading the homepage of the site I mentioned one day and was apprehended by the Holy Spirit...so I KNOW it is genuine. Just like Peter and John, I can't help but speak about what i have seen and heard too (with regard to Christ. I have used the site to study other subjects and found it to be helpful when tying in ideas and scriptures for a more comprehensive look at a subject. Before I had my concordance, it was what I used to research things. Am I naive? perhaps. Pray for me. If you see where I need correction, (in accordance with God's word) please help me... I am still learning, as we all are.

Anyway, what is your take on the subject of "no man knoweth"? I noticed you didn't address it. Looking forward to your reply

Maranatha!

Monique

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2519

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i'm not offended,the only thing i take as 100% is the bible,,almost all the other sites i've seen the holy spirit points out the falseness of them almost immiediately,as far as signs and such what kind of faith would i have if i asked for a sign,i truly believe in the lord and for me to ask for a sign is something i just don't do,but as for signs of the times those of us with the holy spirit only need to look,for the spirit points out to us the wrongs of humanity,
quote(Like I said, I am new at this, but do you think that kind of thinking, if not kept in line with Biblical teaching could turn into idolatry where the attention is more on what is being said here than what the Holy Spirit is saying?)
that i do take offense to,i read the word of god everyday,do you read daily?

the holy spirit does tell us what to say,do you test the spirit?
do you help the less fortunate thru the lord jesus christ?
it's one thing to study the word of god ,but you have to get out and do the work also
it seems alot of people turn to the lord for they think about the end of the world,but they don't seem to get it ,its not about that ,it's about love the neighbor even those who hate you ,for anyones end of the world could happen at anytime
and yes jesus spoke to me also years ago ,not about endtimes but other matters,once i was a very bad person ,but now i'm not and i do my best daily to serve the lord which includes helping others even when it might bring hurt upon myself
i pray your not offended by my post,but if you stay on the site you will grow in christ like so many others have,including myself
yours in christ mark

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2520

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God bless you betterjm , and open your eyes in all Wisdom and Truth , increasing your knowlege

Sorry for being so slow to welcome you , i had not visited the site in some days ,but i did see your email to rays list.

I understand your hostility towards those who say , " no man knoweth the day or hour" , for when telling others of the things to come , they say the same thing , mis understanding what i am saying to them. For i know not the day nor hour . But as mark was saying , i can look and see that the time is ripe.

Do as the Holy Lord leads you. Either tell us what He said , ( as in years that you imply that He told you ) or keep quiet about knowing the year. But to say , i know but im not going to tell you because you wont believe me , is not helping anyone.

But this i say , if you are not sure that it was a revelation from God , and not from you know who. Then i would just wait it out and see what happens , unless the Lord tells you other wise. By all means do as He leads you.

For you know very well that if you say that the Lord told you something , and the Spirit of God tells us that He didnt say that , then how shall we believe you in anything the Lord Truely told you in time past? I say this not to speak doubt in you , but rather to speak Truth , that satan has spoken to us also , and we know how he tries to mimic God and that he pretends to be Gods voice to us.

Howbeit , im not saying that it was satan who spoke to you and not God , but rather , make sure you know who it was!

I think we are all new to this my sister. New to whats about to happen in the Spirit i feel. New to whats about to happen in the world , without doubt.

Stand with us , and if the Holy Ghost testify of us , then believe us! If He testify not of us , then run away!

You have been a blessing to me , i cannot lie about that. I hope to hear more from your experiences with the Lord and what He has taught you of His Ways. You do remind me of myself when i first found this site. Oh the Joy! I found others like me. But my sister , i wish i could give you good news , that there are many on this site who will minister to you , but no , only few. Minister with us , one to another.

Sis , i feel like i already know you. I already have a love in my heart for you. And yes the Spirit of God is useing you. But open your eyes , we also speak from the Holy Ghost , shall you then ignore it? What does your Spirit tell you? Did He lead you here for nothing? Or did He lead you here to teach and not learn?

Yeah , to teach and to learn.

So let the Spirit lead your heart , i look forward to seeing your posts.

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2521

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Good Morning mark,
You said:
as far as signs and such what kind of faith would i have if i asked for a sign
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We all know what Hebrews 11:1 tells us the faith is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED FOR and the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN - who asked for a sign? However, I do believe that it is biblically sound to ask the Holy Spirit for confirmation, for wisdom on things you don't understand. (James 1:5)

You quoted me: Like I said, I am new at this, but do you think that kind of thinking, if not kept in line with Biblical teaching could turn into idolatry where the attention is more on what is being said here than what the Holy Spirit is saying?

and replied that
that i do take offense to,i read the word of god everyday,do you read daily?

Yes, Mark, I do read daily. are there days I miss occasionally? of course, but I don't read for the sake of reading. I really seek to "that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death" (Phillipians 3:10) and that I may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the depth, the height, the length and the breadth, to know the love of Christ (Eph 3:17-19)

the holy spirit does tell us what to say,do you test the spirit?

Yes, Mark, I do, that's the only reason I am still on the site. However, I believe that too many people use this scripture as a license to summarily discredit others they don't personally like (I am NOT talking about you, just my observation on other "Christians" I have encountered...what do you think?)

do you help the less fortunate thru the lord jesus christ?

Yes, Mark

it's one thing to study the word of god ,but you have to get out and do the work also


My personal opinion, but I think that if you are reading the word of God, it will serve as the primer for going out to do good, as well as tell others about Christ..you won't be able to NOT do good!

it seems alot of people turn to the lord for they think about the end of the world,but they don't seem to get it ,its not about that ,it's about love the neighbor even those who hate you ,for anyones end of the world could happen at anytime

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear; that is NOT why I turned to God. This eschatology stuff was not even on my radar screen. I was headed to law school to eventually be a supreme court judge and rule the world! but since I have begun living for Christ, the Holy Spirit put all of these things inside me, by way of visions, dreams, and words (all that I found in the scripture later on!) I do agree with you, the commandment of Love is what EVERYTHING hangs on, all the Law and the prophets (Matt 22:40)

and yes jesus spoke to me also years ago ,not about endtimes but other matters,once i was a very bad person ,but now i'm not and i do my best daily to serve the lord which includes helping others even when it might bring hurt upon myself

Praise God! You are on the "straight and narrow"...Only the things done for Christ will last

I pray your not offended by my post,but if you stay on the site you will grow in christ like so many others have,including myself


No, Mark, I am not. May God richly bless you


Maranatha!

Monique

Re: Do I understand correctly? 5 years, 11 months ago #2522

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i'm glad your not offended betterjm,for sometimes god tells others, things he dosen't tell some and when that happens with gods urging we should tell others,that's what we do here on the forum ,but there are some who don't take correction very well,as far as confirmation on things of the lord ,he's always answered me thru me or someone else,the reason i read daily is so i don't have to take someone's word at what's in the bible ,i read it myself and after reading daily for years now i notice the demons attack me if i don't read, it builds a protective hedge around me it seems.
and i'm not saying it's wrong to ask for signs,just personally for me i think my faith would be low if i asked for a sign and not trusted in what i believe in the lord,for he's always come thru for me ,maybe not when and how i expected it ,but always greater than i expected with other people also getting blessed
yours in christ mark
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