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just kinda wondering... 7 years, 3 months ago #288

Hello,
I am new to this forum. Well actually I’m new to any forum like this. I have a question. It maybe stupid but I can’t seem to let it go. Okay, here goes. I understand that a prophet whom is a true prophet of God won’t contradict or go against the bible. My question is, what about when they seem to contradict each other. I notice the Jack Barr link on Prophecy.org and went to it. The first thing I ran across was this stuff about the movie Passion of the Christ and Mel Gibson. And how the movie is evil and Mel’s is a member of some sun cult conspiracy. And anyone who likes or approves of the movie is not a true Christian, for a true Christian would have seen through the deception and recognized the movie for what it is. And that the movie is the fulfillment of some prophecy about a worldwide deception from Satan. Jack Barr and others wrote all this stuff on his web page. Oh and that everyone in the movie is a porn star. (That part may be true) after reading all that. I went back on Prophecy.org and searched The Passion and it showed that the Lord told Ray “if you want to see the heart of Jesus, watch the movie The Passion.”
Okay I may be crazy but I find this confusing. Should there be these kind of opposing views on one subject from the same God. Or from people saying they are prophets of the same God? Shouldn’t they if not exactly, but in so many words, be saying the same things or at least not contradicting one another? It’s been a little while now, since I read this stuff. I thought it was kinda strange but it keeps coming back into my mind. I can’t seem to get rid of it, so I thought maybe someone out there could explain it to me. Have I misunderstood someone or something I read, was all that stuff about the movie from Jack Barr just his opinions or was God giving him this knowledge, or what?
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Hi MerMer Rae 7 years, 3 months ago #289

I understand your position... but Lord try to join all Him creation...

Lord READS heart... Can you do it that?

If a heart is GOOD before GOD's eyes, this heart is beautiful for HIM
If a heart is BAD before GOD's eyes, HE try to correct it...

Remember:

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(Ezekiel 33.11)
"Love cures everything..."

Re: just kinda wondering... 7 years, 3 months ago #290

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Re: just kinda wondering... 7 years, 3 months ago #291

With the Love of Jesus
Rev. Jack Barr

Re: just kinda wondering... 7 years, 3 months ago #293

"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of."
Luke 9:45-55



To all reading this. I hope you discern this with prayer and by the Spirit of God. Please pray about this!

If you’ve read the passage above, you will notice the Jesus himself rebuked the ones who were closest to him and the ones who walked in His ways because of bad judgment. I know Pastor Barr is a child of God, I know that he’s done great things for the Lord and I know he’s been such a great influence on all of us by the grace of God but I cannot agree with the judgment made about the movie. I’ve personally seen the Passion of the Christ and I own it. I’ve watched the movie many times and I also prayed about it too There wasn’t even one time in my spirit that I was led to believe the movie was satanic. I cried many times when watching Jesus suffer. It produced repentance in me not a “fake revival.” I know many people who were touched seeing this movie the same way. A friend of mine (an atheist) would debate with me about the existence of God, Christ, etc. and I let him borrow the movie and I prayed to God about it and I asked him to touch this person. The next day I seen my friend at work he looked like he was in shock all day. All day all we talked about is the life of Jesus. He had so many questions; he did not know anything about the mystery of God. I talked to him, it was very deep, and it produced a fire in him and this zeal for God. The next thing he did was he bought a Bible and started reading it. He wanted to know this God that had touched him. Now friends listen carefully, is this a fruit that a satanic movie produces?
I know that there are many things you will hear on the Internet about this movie. About blasphemies, fake miracles, and hidden speech etc. LET GOD BE THE JUDGE! I’m sure there’s a big reason why God gave this prophecy to Ray. God said, “If you want to see the heart of Christ, SEE The Passion of The Christ by Mel Gibson.” "SEE.” “SEE.” “SEE.” “SEE.” The message is clear. God does not lie, His message does not trick people, and his Words ARE NOT IDLE.
Pastor Barr, I love you as a brother in Christ; I know you are a child of God and keep a very close relationship with Him. But even his closest disciples can get corrected. By all means, I am not trying to promote this movie at all or pass any judgements. I want God to be the final judge on this. PLEASE FRIENDS, PRAY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.

Occurrence given to Raymond Aguilera on 24 November 2004 at 8 PMDuring prayer the Lord said, “If you want to see the Heart of Jesus Christ see the film THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST by Mel Gibson.”


God Bless You All and keep the fire of God burning.

Re: just kinda wondering... 7 years, 3 months ago #294

Thank you for your responce brother corxmega11
With the Love of Jesus
Rev. Jack Barr

thank you but still wondering.... 7 years, 3 months ago #302

Hi brother, (I'm a sister)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful response, I really appreciated you taking the time to answer my question. I have been busy and wanted to really look over what you said before I responded. I can definitely see what you are saying about how, the prophecies should be read and I agree. I don’t agree with you about the movie though. You stated in your response that the movie represents a twisted gospel, I still don’t get what you mean. If it’s because a few things were included in the movie like Satan tempting Jesus not to go through with it in the garden or leaving out or combining a few situations for artistic license. I might say that you maybe a little ridged in your views of what twisting the gospel means. The opening scene of the movie accomplishes so much in just a few minuets. When the devil is talking to Jesus and trying to weaken him saying that one man could not take on the sins of all mankind, that was the truth, but also a lie. One man could not take on the sins of the world, the point being that Jesus was more then a man. Satan is a liar; he mixed lies with the truth, which is why he’s so good at it. In that opening scene Satan is also I think trying to figure out if in fact, this man is the actual Christ. There is some debate out there about weather or not Satan new for sure if Jesus was the real one or not, that maybe God did not allow the Devil to see this, before Jesus was crucified. That one scene in also showing that Jesus was tempted by Satan and stood strong. The movie gets that across to the viewer without spending a lot of time showing it how it literally happened, while at the same time keeping you focused on his last night in the garden, and the main story of his passion. When the serpent came out from under the devil’s robe, Jesus crushes his head. That represented the verse in Genesis, and I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between thy seed, and her seed. It will bruise thy heel, and thou salt bruise his head. (You will strike his heel, but He will crush your head.) The beauty of that entire scene is breath taking. It is saying so much more then you would think is possible in what amounted to five-ten minuets of film. In just this scene you feel the total magnitude of what he was taking on. And that he was the only one who could. The scene is telling us that this is the one talked about in Genesis. When stories are told and retold they do get changed a little from the original, but as long as the truth stays in tact and the true message is not lost, diluted or distorted. After all is said and done, do the semantics of this happened exactly this way A, B, C - 1, 2, 3 hold as high an importance as the over all truth that encompasses the entire scope of what happened. The no no in changing the gospel. - Is in changing the gospel. Taking away from or changing the meaning of what Christ did, said, and who he is. That would be twisting or distorting the gospel - adding or changing a word here and there as long as the meaning is not changed, is not the same as professing another gospel or presenting a false Christ. Film is a visual medium and any subject that is taken from the written word will always need to be translated into that art form. If done well, it is a translation not a duplication. When you duplicate - what you make, is a movie that’s miles to long and not very good. This movie is by far the best ever made about Jesus, artistically, and enough of the facts are there, that people will get the message. I think I read on your web-site that you hadn’t seen the movie. I think you should. You may not have to, to discuss it. But people would take your opinions more seriously if you have seen it. In stead of going by what other people have told you or what you have read. You have enough interest to read about it and listen when people tell you about it, but not to see it for yourself. And how could you trust your sources as much as you own eyes. You may not need to for yourself. But should something come along in the future that has such an effect on people as this movie and could have, a negative influence on the body of Christ, then you would want people to listen and take what you have to say about it seriously. To a lot of people out there, religious leaders and religious people in general, are always doing that, going off about stuff they have not seen or read. And for some people as soon as you say well, I didn’t see it but it’s bad, they immediately close their minds and don’t hear a word your saying. If I come off in this and previously - sounding antagonistic or anything other then humble, I can’t help it and I don’t mean it that way at all, I don’t know why I come off that way. So please don’t think I’m being argumentative. That’s not my intention.

God bless
Respectfully,
MerMer Rae
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