El is singular and represents the Creator, the husband, Yahuah El Shaddai.

Elohim is plural and represents the Bride, the husband to El.

Doctrine created by man does not describe this relationship correctly.

Repent, for the reign of Yahuah El Shaddai is upon us.

HalleluYah.

Hi Shofar,

i'm sorry but the word elohim first appeared in Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth.

Your explanation does not fit in this verse because the Bride were not yet created.

Elohim is plural because it represent the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and only this union has the power to create.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This is why we have a body, a soul and a spirit, just like Elohim- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Perfecly in His image.

And we are one just like He is One.

God bless you...

Shalom, my friend, Yahuah be with you.

What you state my friend is incorrect, are you not a follower of a monotheistic Divine Creator? Elohim is plural and represents more than one El. The plan of El has always been to share his Divinity with his people, who are under his Torah (Teachings). The people of El are called Elohim. The transfigured resurrect human. Human version 2.1 if you sort of put in in computer type terminology. Were being upgraded.

The passages you quote from B'resheet 1:26 followed by 1:28 are El talking to himself, eg. Let us have a piece of cheesecake for tea. What you failed to do was include 1:27 that clears up your error.

In your conclusion you dare to attribute human false doctrine to the Creator. Does he require human characteristics? Does he need a second spirit to speak to us? Who is this second spirit, one would ask?

Soon my friend, verily, verily shall the truth be revealed.

Yahuah be with you.

HalleluYah.

Tell me,

if Elohim refers to transfigured resurrect human, then tell me how can these transfigured resurrect human create the heaven and the earth when they themselves were not yet created?

Explain to me who created the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1:1.

In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth.

If i follow your translation, then it will sound like this;

"In the beginning God (Elohim- transfigured resurrect human ) created the heaven and the earth."

Are you saying this is correct? Then you have denied that God created everything and put the glory on man.

Will you address yourself as 'us'? Let 'us' have a cup of tea?

Do you know that there are Seven Spirits of God?

REVELATION 4:5

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.


Do you know that Jesus has all seven Spirit of God?

Isaiah 11:1-2

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

And do you know that long ago God has poured out His Spirit upon all man who thirst for Him?

ISAIAH
44:3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

You need to see through the Scriptures and not by assumption..

nice reply denn_al

Thanks den_al
Spirit of Wisdom versus chaos and confusion of mind...
Light versus Darkness... thet which opposes the Most High Elohim...
Thanks for your imput...
"Elohim said Let there be Light!"

God bless you too, matorzok and susan...all glory to the Lord Jesus.

Hi guys I have been a bit neglectful on this thread.

Now denn_al my friend. In Genesis it is clearly seen that one El, not Elohim (plural) created the world. Can you not understand this?

Oh I see, you want to justify the man made doctrine of the trinity. Now I see your intentions. Why are there three spirits in the trinity, who is the third one? Well Yahuah El Shaddai (god) is a spirit, it says in scripture; 1, then Joshua(h) the Prophet and high priest 2, so who is the third????

Now at the time of creation Joshua(h) had not been born. So we cannot say that Yahuah El Shaddai is Elohim, because that is a plural and Yahuah was never refereed to in the singular plural form until later in scripture, by the Prophets.

For some reason we got stuck on creation and not the end of the book. I guess that is my fault for not stating this fact, please accept my apology.

With love and may Yahuah be with you.

Sorry again for being so long in answering you guys.

HalleluYah.

The Tanakh clearly says it is elohim.

Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1 ‏בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃

1 bərē’šîṯ bārā’ ’ĕlōhîm ’ēṯ haššāmayim wə’ēṯ hā’āreṣ:


27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

27 ‏וַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים׀ אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמ֔וֹ בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹת֑וֹ זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם׃

27 wayyiḇərā’ ’ĕlōhîm| ’eṯ-hā’āḏām bəṣaləmwō bəṣelem ’ĕlōhîm bārā’ ’ōṯwō zāḵār ûnəqēḇâ bārā’ ’ōṯām:


The trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Apostle John mentioned this trinity in the book of Revelation.

Revelations 1:4-5

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from Him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

I agree with the apostle John.

It's not theology but simply what's written there.

We can see it says elohim and not el.

And the elohim is as John said it to be;

1. from Him which is, and which was, and which is to come

2. from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

3. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,

The letters to the churches were from these 3 Divine Entity.


And Jesus IS God, as John mentions it.

Revelation 1:6
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

First off, I want so much not to insult or denigrate you my friend, so please bear with us in what Yahuah wants me to tell you.

When you see Elohim in genesis 1 you attribute a plural form to his name, is this true?

Twice you have stated that God is more than one entity, this you have written as such, is this true?

Do you believe that Christ is God the omnipotent?

Remember I am trying to understand your Christian trinity, and how it can be ascribed to a monotheistic faith?

Can you please tell me the history of this trinity, where it came from?

Did you know that the seven spirits in (2) actually represent seven churches and nothing to do with a trinity? If I am wrong please tell me why I am?

HalleluYah.

I have no desire to insult you..

Yes, elohim is plural. It is as the Scripture says it is, that elohim is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

And these three are one.

Jesus Himself spoke on behalf of the Father and the Holy Spirit.

John 3:10

Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

Verse 11 shows that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit speaks as One.

- I say unto thee- this is Jesus speaking.

- We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.- This is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit speaking.

This Trinity has always been God since from the beginning.

The seven churches are signified as candlesticks in Revelations 1:20, hence they are the seven candlesticks, and not the seven spirits of God.


Revelation 1:20

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus is one with the Father and one with the Holy Spirit- the seven spirits of God.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God..


All of these are stated in Scripture...

I don't get it?

God the Father is a spirit. This is in scripture; so why does he need a second spirit to talk to Joshua(h), or even us?

Doesn't your trinity make Christ a liar, in the fact that you say Christ is God. when he said of his own words ....

John 7:16 and 17.

{7:16} Christ answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

{7:17} If any man will do his will (the one that sent Christ, the Father), he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

John 20:17 and the witness 18.

{20:17} Christ saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

{20:18} Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] he had spoken these things unto her. (a witness)

John 14:28 to 30.

{14:28} Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

{14:29} And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

{14:30} Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Mark 13:32

{13:32} But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

John 12:47 to 50

{12:47} And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

{12:48} He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that
judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

{12:49} For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

{12:50} And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 17:3.

{17:3} And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 4:24.

{4:24} God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

John 17:5.

{17:5} And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Christ was flesh and blood, was he flesh and blood in Genesis? NO, Elohim in Genesis is in the masculine singular form. Ask any Jewish scholar this question. God is a spirit, Yahuah El Shaddai is his name. He breathes life into human, when human expires the spirit within returns back to Yahuah. This was the basis of the Torah of Yahuahshua the prophet. Why a prophet? Because he would have to be a prophet for his Gospel to be believed. Yet many believe a different Gospel.

Tell me my friend who is that third spirit in your trinity, pyramid?


TRINITARIANS MAKE CHRIST A LIAR! HE IS NOT WHOM YOU SHOULD BE WORSHIPING.

The Christ is the chief prophet, the high priest.

Praise Yahuah, The Compassionate, The Merciful, King of the Universe.

HalleluYah.

Of course you didn't get it.

The apostle John understood this fact.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


And that is Elohim. Elohim is plural. You just dont want to admit it.



Christ is God and He is the one whom ALL MAN should worship.

His disciples worship HIm.

MT 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

MT 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

MT 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

PHIL 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;


As Jesus said, the third Spirit is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Remember this verse very well, for the disciples of Jesus wrote this by the Holy Spirit.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Amen Lord Jesus.

Jesus IS the Word and He is God.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The apostle John wrote this as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

See, the Word BECOMES FLESH.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus who is God, IS the Word, who becomes flesh just like us.

The prophet Isaiah prophesied him as Mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Just think about it- this child's name shall be called MIGHTY GOD.

Do you know that Jesus existed before Abraham was?

JN 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

He has always been God since from the beginning. He was there during the creation, He was doing the creating.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Hebrews 1:1-2
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God made the worlds by His Son!

Resurrection is NOT a principle. Resurrection is Jesus Himself!

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Remember this- prophet Isaiah prophesied Him as Mighty God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


All glory, honor and praise to the Lord Jesus, to the glory of the Father and the Holy Spirit.