Brothers and sisters,
The Lord Jesus during His ministry on this earth, went about preachig the Gospel.

MT 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

MT 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

MK 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.


Therefore, the first and foremost responsibility of the church would be to preach the Gospel and not the Law.

MK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

LK 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.


It is the preaching of the Gospel that determines the end of this age, and not the preaching of the Law.

MT 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


After the preaching, then comes the teaching... every disciple of Christ are called to teach the nations, in a small way and in a big way according to each person's calling, as per the Lord Jesus's instructions.

Matthew 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


And what is to be taught are the things that Jesus has commanded us. This is the very summary of the function of the Church, the body of Christ, as per below; the teaching of what should be called sound doctrine of the church.

Titus 2:1-10
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.


Every member of the body of Christ must learn to love.
Walking in love does not come automatically, but it must be learn and taught.

It is the grace of God, and not the Law, that teaches us to deny worldliness.

Titus 2:11-12

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;



God bless

Greetings, Yahuah be with you.

My friend ...

There is only one Rabbi and anyone who profanes his spirit is written out of the book of life. His name is Yahuah El Shaddai. All the rest are teachers for hire. They proclaim a different Gospel from the Prophet Messiah, Christ Joshuah, the rejected one.

Who is the Author of Titus? Not the lying, self proclaimed, Apostle Saul of Tarsus ... who said ....

1 Corinthians. Author: Saul of Tarsus.

{10:23} All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. {10:24} Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s

What blasphemy, of the only words acknowledged by humankind as the direct words of the creator. The Ten Commandments.

Is it not said that Satan would turn himself into an Angel of light? Who spake to Saul of Tarsus? An Angel of light!

Get behind me Satan.

You forgot this one, my friend ....

John.

{15:10} If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

Verily, verily from the Nazarene faith.

I have a question my friend .... What is the Great White Throne Judgement, and does it relate to doing good works?

HalleluYah, Yahuah be with you.

LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TOPIC THEN LOOK AT THE CHRIST'S OWN WORDS ...

Matthew.

{5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

I am not ashamed of the truth.

HalleluYah.

Shofar, you quoted

Matthew.

{5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

This is because ONLY Jesus can fulfill the law. And Jesus specifically said that NONE of the Jews kept the Law, because NO ONE COULD.

JOHN 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?


Only Jesus could fulfill the law. There is none righteous.

PSALM 14:2-3
2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


LUKE 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Only Jesus is able to fulfill the law and the scriptures.


You said "LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TOPIC THEN LOOK AT THE CHRIST'S OWN WORDS ... "

Precisely- this is what Jesus own words instructed us to do- preach the Gospel.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

There is not one instance that He instructed His disciples to preach the Law.


And do you know that Paul of Tarsus did not acted alone when he declared that all believers should not be under the Law?

All of the apostles, the church elders and the whole church were in one accord in this matter.

Acts 15:22-29

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.



See, if you are calling Paul a liar, then ultimately you are calling all of the apostles, elders and the whole church as liars as well.

And know that it is the Holy Spirit that initiates this decision.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

You are not going against Paul, but rather you are opposing the works of the Holy Spirit.

Shofar, you quoted

Matthew.

{5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

This is because ONLY Jesus can fulfill the law. And Jesus specifically said that NONE of the Jews kept the Law, because NO ONE COULD.

JOHN 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?


Only Jesus could fulfill the law. There is none righteous.

PSALM 14:2-3
2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


LUKE 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Only Jesus is able to fulfill the law and the scriptures.


You said "LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TOPIC THEN LOOK AT THE CHRIST'S OWN WORDS ... "

Precisely- this is what Jesus own words instructed us to do- preach the Gospel.

MARK 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

There is not one instance that He instructed His disciples to preach the Law.


And do you know that Paul of Tarsus did not acted alone when he declared that all believers should not be under the Law?

All of the apostles, the church elders and the whole church were in one accord in this matter.

Acts 15:22-29

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.



See, if you are calling Paul a liar, then ultimately you are calling all of the apostles, elders and the whole church as liars as well.

And know that it is the Holy Spirit that initiates this decision.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

You are not going against Paul, but rather you are opposing the works of the Holy Spirit.

Shofar,

You said "Could it be because Saul is a self confessed liar? "

Are you saying that you have never lied in all your life? Can't you see Paul's humility in this matter?

If we say that we have not sinned, then we make God a liar..

1 John 1:8-10

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Paul used himself as an example, to show that under the Law no one is righteous. For as long as anyone put themselves under the Law, they will be judged as a sinner- ALWAYS.

Therefore, he is saying that even though the Jew has more advantage than the Gentiles, yet he Paul is still judged as a sinner because the Law judges him, for as long as he puts himself under the law.

Romans 3:20-21
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

If you think that Paul should be perfect from lying, tell me what justifies Abraham?

He lied twice about Sara. That makes him a liar too, isnt it?

How about Judah who slept with his own daughter in law? He committed adultery and incest, yet why did the Lord bless his descendants?

Consider King David who murdered Uriah and committed adultery with Bathsheba- do you know that King David was supposed to be put to death?

And look at Peter. He denied Jesus three times. And look at Jesus's teaching about whosoever deny Him.

MT 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Yet why did the Lord used Peter? All of these men were not worthy to be used by the Lord, but yet He uses them anyway.

Look at Colossians 2:16-17 full context.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Word here is that Christ is far more superior than observations of food and drinks, holy day, new moon or sabbath- because it is only A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME WHICH ARE FULFILLED IN CHRIST JESUS.

Eating of swine and easter eggs does not defile you. But what comes out from your heart- that what defiles a man.

MATTHEW 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
MATTHEW 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

All that happens on the outside does not defile a man- but the things that comes out from the heart.

When Jesus came to this earth, do you realised that He did not put an end to the Roman observations, festivals and calendars? Even our weekdays and months that we used now are called by the names of Roman false gods.

What matters to Jesus was to preach the Gospel to the Jews first. It doesn't even matter to Him whether to pay taxes or not to Caesar.

You have judge through outward appearance- now it is time to judge the heart, because the Lord seeks those who will worship Him in spirit- through your heart.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


The judgment of God will be based on the Gospel, and NOT THE LAW.

1 PETER 4:17

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Very well..


Because you so desire to be under the law, then let the curses come upon you and all who follow the law whenever you failed to do ALL of the commandments and statutes that are written in the Law.


Deutronomy 28

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young:
51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

So be it as you believe, and let the people say amen.

Deutronomy 27:26

26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.


As for me, i will dwell in the Grace of God which is in Christ Jesus. Amen.

amen

Greetings on this beautiful day, my loving friends.

My husband, Yahuah of hosts, and I are in agreement on this matter, here is our reply.

The word of El, the monotheistic God.

"Those who do not live by the Law shall die by the Law, and I will enter them in spirit. I, am the A to Z, Yahuah of hosts is my name. I, am your husband, your first love. I knew you before you were corrupted by man. I, am the Rabbi, no one is Rabbi but me. Teachers for hire, false scribes and stumbling blocks, I put in the way of the wicked, whom do not seek me. I come soon, not to destroy, but to save. "

"Arak dua seer Yahu' Yochanan kia Yahusadek parak terra."

All knees will bend, all heads will bow.

HalleluYah.

Shofar,

I am not a jew nor a descendants of a tribe of Israel, but i am a gentile.

Therefore the law is not applicable to me. The law is only given to the Jews, therefore i am not entitled to live by the law.

And because of that, i will not die by the law. The law was only given to the Jews and not to other nations on the face of this earth.

However, the Gospel is freely given to all man, even to the ends of the earth.

Markus 16:15-16

15 Lalu Ia berkata kepada mereka: “Pergilah ke seluruh dunia, beritakanlah Injil kepada segala makhluk.

16 Siapa yang percaya dan dibaptis akan diselamatkan, tetapi siapa yang tidak percaya akan dihukum.

denn_al wrote ...







Our answer is....

You cannot have a Gospel if you do not include the Laws of the Creator, and the Prophets.

HalleluYah.


WildernessVoice, I have a suspicion that you may be infringing on the rules of this forum site. Please if you have anything constructive to say please feel free to discuss. I still love you.

Yes i can and i already have it through the Lord Jesus.

It is the Lord Jesus that fulfilled the law for me, and His works His perfect.

That is why i will not perish, as the apostle John said of Him;

JOHN 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:15-16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

All that is required is to believe.

You said "You cannot have a Gospel if you do not include the Laws of the Creator, and the Prophets. "

You have spoken many things that goes against scripture. You are not going against my words but against God's own Word.

And you even disagree with the curses in the book of Deuteronomy and try to imply it to a gentile like me.

How can anyone trust your judgment if you do not speak according to scripture?

Because you seek to live by the law, then you need to accept its blessings and curses upon you. You cannot pick and choose because Moses confirmed it with an oath that were witnessed by heaven and earth.

DEUT 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.