Jack or anyone else who can answer this.

I found a vision from Bob Hickman at ministryofdreams.com which said the following:

http://www.ministryofdreams.freeservers ... talog.html

(73)Johnny Cash-vision recieved 9-16-2003-I asked God where Johnny Cash went, and in a vision while praying, I saw Johnny, and he said, "hell".

Raymond Aguilera had a prophecy (i believe - correct me if i am wrong here please) about Jhonny cash where he saw the letter "S". When Ray asked about the meaning of the letter he was told it meant "Saved". I cant seem to locate this prophecy as my files were deleted a few months ago when my computer crashed.

Can someone shine some light on this please. If one man is saying one thing and another something different who is right? Or am i misunderstanding Bob Hickmans vision.????? Im a little confused at the moment.

Oliver

he has alot of wrong predictions or whatever he says they are,the spirit in me tells me ray is a true prophet

matorzok wrote:


Could you elaborate on the wrong predictions please. These two prohecies contradict each other. One is wrong which is it? Need some insight here please. I think its too important to ignore.

Oliver

16)Israel hated -visions recieved 1-30-2004-in the first vision, I saw Saddam Hussein, and he said, "eliminate Israel". In the second vision, I saw Saddam againg, and he said, "eliminate". Nuclear war is coming. Be prepared.
(17)the time will come-vision recieved 2-7-2004-in this vision, I saw Sa
ddam Hussein, and he said, "hit the button
AS I WAS ON THE SITE HUNTING FOR THE OTHER DISCREPANCIES THE SITE QUIT COMING IN,A TRUE PROHET IS NEVER WRONG ,MAYBE SADDAM IS GOING TO ESCAPE AND DO THIS ,I DON'T KNOW,BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT TELLS ME RAY IS A MAN OF GOD
yours in christ mark
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oyster_777 wrote:

Yes, Bob Hickman is giving a false prophecy. It is in direct conflict, is directly opposite of prophecy given by a known TRUE Prophet of God, Raymond Aguilera.

Now understand that http://www.ministryofdreams.freeservers ... talog.html is a dangerous site. While there may be some good prophecies on it, there are many bad and false prophecies also, and you just found one of them. This site posts prophecies from anyone and everyone, without recognizing, or caring if they are true prophecies or false prophecies.

I have that site listed in my files as a site to be VERY Careful of, and this particular prophet to reject all that he says.

I remember the prophecy from Raymond, and since Raymond IS A TRUE PROPHET OF GOD, you can be sure that any thing that you read that is in conflict with what Raymond has given in Prophecies that are Truly from God, can only be false..

Thanks for the responses. I will be steering clear of that site.

Another question? Why would Thomas Gibson have a link to Bob Hickmans website? He aslo has a link to Norb Hackmans website which Jack has identified as having false prophecy on it.

Perhaps Thomas Gibson is not aware of these false prophecies?

oyster_777 wrote:


Perhaps your answer is also found on Thomas Gibson's links page, right at the top.

Links to Important Christian Sites



Oliver, unless someone points out to Gibson, that there is a problem with one of his link sites, he will not know.

Now Gibson is no longer posting to his site, but has left all the information up there for everyone to read, since the Lord told him to stop posting to his site. That the Lord was through passing information on through this site.

However, it is ALWAYS the of you responsibility to judge each site on it's own merits, and not to blindly accept what is posted to any site just because the link is found on a site that you trust.

As Gibson says, they are good sites when he posts the link to them, but if they change he is not responsible. You are responsible to determine if any site is of God of not.

I have not checked out the links on my own site in over a year, so if one has changed or closed down I would not know.

In all fairness you cannot call this Bob Hickman a false prophet unless you call Ray one too. Because listed below is Rays prophecy #1732 which looks to be wrong, but is it? What was God trying to show us?

1732. Occurrence and Vision given to Raymond Aguilera on 22 March 2003 at 6 AM.

Late Friday night, I was watching Saddam Hussein praying on television and I wondered about his faith.

Then this Saturday morning at 6 AM the Lord said, "Saddam Hussein is dead."

Note: I really do not know if the Lord meant physically or spiritually.

Vision:

Then the Lord showed me a vision of an elephant’s head without ears.



After reading that prophecy I was sure that first bomb got Saddam. Then it turned out that we captured him. Now does that make Ray a false Prophet? No! But given at face value when the Lord said "Saddam Hussein is dead." I was sure I knew what the Lord meant.


We do not understand the ways of the Lord and how he speaks. What was the Lord showing him when he said

"16)Israel hated -visions recieved 1-30-2004-in the first vision, I saw Saddam Hussein, and he said, "eliminate Israel". In the second vision, I saw Saddam againg, and he said, "eliminate". Nuclear war is coming. Be prepared. "

Was God really saying through this prophet that Saddam was going to eliminate Isreal through a nuclear war? I don't think so but yet Saddam probably wanted to emiminate Isreal, and yes nuclear war is coming and we should be prepared but I don't see where this Bob is saying Saddam is going to start it.



" (17)the time will come-vision recieved 2-7-2004-in this vision, I saw Sa
ddam Hussein, and he said, "hit the button " "

What do we choose to read into this? How can you say this is a false prophecy unless you read things into it?


Isaiah 55:8

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD .


Yours in Christ, Mark

we all believe how we want to believe ,just make sure you test the spirit ,personally i found more than those two ,a false prophet can say things that are true also ,but he'll slide in something that is wrong ,as for me how many prophets when god speaks to them does god tell him he loves us(not many)so believe how you want to believe ,as for me i'm with ray 100%.
yours in christ mark

Mark, I give my answer as blue text within your message, and finish with black text at the end.

Mark wrote:


Mark, (who just joined)(as different from Mark [matorzok] who has been here) that you may know, there is, and has been several hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who have been studying Raymond Aguilera's prophecies for more than 10 years, everyone looking for the first failure. There has been NO Failures in almost 2000 prophecies from the Holy Lord God. But there has been fulfillments!! All of us have gone before the Holy Lord God for the truth, and all of us have had The Holy Lord God confirm to us that Raymond Aguilera is truly one of His Prophets.

Also, Ray's prophecies have constantly told everyone to pray, to read the Bible every day, to take Communion every day, to worship only Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit constantly, that constantly tell you that Jesus Christ IS God!!

These other prophets that you would like to believe in, where do they ever tell you to do these acts of Worship???? I never found even one of them that tells you to do even one of these acts of Worship of God.

Any prophecy which is in conflict with what the Bible says, or is in conflict with what any Known Prophecy of the Lord God as given by one of God's Prophets, are false prophecies, given be false prophets. It is just that simple!!

Any prophecy which is in conflict with what the Bible says, or is in conflict with what any Known Prophecy of the Lord God as given by one of God's Prophets, are false prophecies, given be false prophets. It is just that simple!!

Which brings up an interesting question. (I follow the simple rule that the only way to learn is to ask questions ).

What if a true prophet says a false prophecy? No one is perfect, and say the true prophet screws up. So is he now a false prophet forever? or just until he repents and repairs the damage he did?

There is a prophecy where God says to Raymond to not worry about what He is saying through him, because God will make sure that everything is correct and to the point.


My other question is: prophets in training. I have friends who are prophets, and what if they screw up and say a false prophecy? Are they branded a false prophet because they messed up in training, or just for that one prophecy? People are learning, getting their legs, so to speak. People also make mistakes. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Again, God Bless you Jack.

the only prophets in the bible who gave wrong prophecies were false prophets ,true prophets are never wrong (ever) , and i never knew that you had to train to become a prophet you make it sound like it's just a job,we who are not prophets do make mistakes even thou we are trying to be good christians, what about all the so -called prophets in the past who told of the world ending on a certain day and had their believers committing suicide ,it was the devil tricking those people to go to hell
if you have noticed ray is very good at discerning the spirits
yours in christ mark

matorzok wrote:


Amen Mark,

Bless your Holy Soul. You gave a good answer, so for all the others who will read this thread, I will attempt to clarify, or to explain just why a True Prophet of God can never give a False Prophecy.

We need to tell everyone who has doubts, that a True prophet of God can never, I repeat, Never give a false prophecy, as you have noted, Because every prophecy this prophet of God speaks, is the words direct from God Himself. For the True Prophet of God, Never, I say, Never, gives a prophecy from his own understanding, Never chooses the words which he pronounces as the Word of God. So since it is The Holy Lord God who gives the prophecy, it means that it is God Himself who speaks through His Prophet.

I guess that there are so many out there who just are not able to grasp, or understand, that a Prophet of God, Never speaks for themselves on matters of God's Word. These people who do not understand, are so use to all the False prophets giving conflicting prophecies, that they cannot discern the Truth. So they choose, and pick, the version of a prophecy that they like, and reject all the rest. And we all know, for the Bible tells us, that they do not like the Prophecies that come from God, because many of those prophecies tell them of things they do not want to hear, the prophecies bring conviction upon them.

Now as for the question of Blue River.

I totally agree that we need to ask questions in order to learn. However, when you go to God for the answer to anything to do with God, then you will always get the right and True answer.

If a man ever once gives a prophecy which is false, he is branded as a False Prophet. And while there may have been prophecies which he gave before which were correct, and may again give prophecies which appear to be correct, he still remains a False Prophet, and not one of his prophecies is to be trusted.

Yes He can repent, and be forgiven by the Lord. But the bible tells us to never trust him, so we know that even if the Lord had used him in the past as a prophet, once he gives a False prophecy, the Lord will not use him again as a prophet.

The reason is that if the Lord did continue to use him as a prophet, then it would make God a liar, when he said that all prophecies from God WILL HAPPEN AS GIVEN, and that anyone who gives a false prophecy is a false prophet. For God to use a man as one of God's Prophets, even after that man gives a false prophecy, would be saying that all of God's Prophets cannot be trusted in their prophecies, because you would never know if the prophecy he is giving is from God, and true, or from his own imagination, and false. And that is why God will never again use a man as a prophet of God once that man has given a false prophecy.

There are so very many verses in the Bible which play on this, that it would be impractical to try to quote any of them here. My suggestion would be to start with a pad of paper, Draw a line down the middle and label one site True Prophets, and on the other site label it False Prophets, and then starting at the start of the Bible (KJV), and as you read and come across any verse which speaks anything of a prophet, and what they do, and how they do it, then write it down on your pad of paper in the correct column, not just the verse number but write what you see that verse saying, By the time you reach the end of the Bible, You will have a perfect understanding of what a Prophet of the Lord is, and what a False Prophet is.

Believe me when I tell you that will really open your eyes, for if you ask the Holy Spirit to help you to understand, you will be given understanding.

May the Lord God Jesus Christ Bless and keep each of you.

Thanks.

Thanks.