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a thread to discuss factual predictions in Ray's Prophecies 7 years ago #848

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Hi,

I decided to start the thread to cull the factual predictions from the Prophecy Book and post and discuss them in one place. This is somewhat like what Rev. Barr and several other commentators did, but I think that the view of any single commentator cannot be perfect or perfectly complete, so using a forum thread where many people can weigh in makes sense.

near future events that we can unfortunately look forward to 7 years ago #849

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there are at least three very specific predictions that we can look forward to in the undeterminate near future, that are significant in being signs of bigger and worse things to come.

1) sign of the coming economic crisis: the fall of Bill Gates. This is very significant for personal financial and other planning in the wake of the coming economic crisis, that is described elsewhere



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As my prayer proceeded from Occurrence #1119, the Lord said, "When Bill Gates falls, will begin the beginning of the end." (over)
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this connects directly to



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It has arrived: "The day of the bank. The day of the money." But I am going to stop the money of the world, the money of the United States. I am going to stop it in the manner of God. We will see how strong they are, the men of the banks. They are going to suffer. Mark My Word! The men of the banks are going to suffer for they use the word of the devil, in the manner of the devil. Did you hear Me, men of the banks? Here comes your day. Place it on your Calendar. It has arrived: "The end of you."
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Hopefully, Bill Gates will fall before the day of the money, to let us know. This would make some sense because once the banks collapse the end will already be very much under way. But of course, who knows, we can only speculate here.

2) Airplane falling into San Francisco Bay as the sign of the coming nuclear terrorist attack:



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Prophecy:

Then the Lord said, "San Francisco, the sinful city, will fall!"

Vision:

Then the Lord gave me a vision of an airplane flying over the San Francisco Bay.

Prophecy:

Then the Lord said, "When the airplane falls into the San Francisco Bay, it will be a sign that what I say is the Truth!"
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This of course puts a time limit on when can we expect this attack, no sooner than this airplane accident. After the attack, the truth of the prophecy will be self evident, and the SF airprort will likely not even exist.

3) the overlooked one, the coming disaster and religious war against Christians in Congo:



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It is I, son! It is, I! Hurry, write what I tell you to the point! Yes, there he is - the black man. There he is! Right now, he is seeking the things of the devil, with the flame of the devil. There is a point that I want to tell you. Yes, yes! He is going to seek a man from the government of Spain, so he can help him. This man is going to change the way he thinks. He is going to think of how the law is going to help him. Yes. But now, he is only seeking manners, the manners of the devil. This man from Spain has the money, he has the help, he has everything that this man of color needs.

One day it is going to rain. There is going to be a storm - the storm of the devil is going to help him. There are going to be many things that are going to be destroyed. With everything that happens, the man of color, is going to place his hand to help people with all that they need. There are going to be people, who are going to drown with all of the water. Houses are going to fall. This man of color is going to help the people, and in that way the war is going to start with the Christians. For these people are going to believe that this man of color is an angel, but he is an angel of the devil. But the people do not know.

Yes, Reymundo, it has started the things of the man of color with the man from Spain. But look - there is going to be another storm and the storm is going to be of money. For much money is going to fall his way and with this money he is going to get the force to move the "país" (could be a - country, nation, land, or region) the "país" of the devil.

Yes, write it. Write it all! It has arrived, the flame of the devil, but the Angels of your Father have arrived. The Angels that are going to protect all that is Mine. Hurry, write it, write it all! For here comes the flame of the man of color. Oh, he is so bad. But he believes he is like an angel. But it is not important, for I am going to fix everything in the manner of God. Yes, My son, here comes the storm of money, the storm of water. Yes, here comes the force of the man of color. Hurry, write the Words of your Father. (over)

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Yes, Reymundo, all is going to happen in Congo, in Congo - all - of the Words. Exactly to the point!
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This is about as clear as it gets in the Prophecy Book. It seems to happen before major crises start, because Spain has no better things to do then to send lots of humanitarian aid. So this evil political leader will start a war against Christians, and his own religion of course is not hard to guess. The prophecy was given in 2002, after the conclusion of the war in Congo over the past decade, so this is coming in the future, and may well prove the first major and indubitable Prophecy fulfillment.

animals in parables: maybe political forces, not states 7 years ago #850

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There are a number of animals used in the Prophecies, some clearly identified, e.g. Bear, Hog, and Board as Russia, Hornet as "in Japan", "Sabertooth tiger" pretty clearly North Korea. Others are very unclear e.g. Owl, Cat, Mouse, Turtle, Jaguar. This is based on Rev. Barr's analysis and overall it makes good sense. Meanwhile, the US is referred to in different places as either an eagle or as Babylon, which is also quite interesting. The big thing about the Owl is that it seems an individual who is executed by the Hornet in #103 in mid November.

I would just like to elaborate on this scheme a little bit. I would like to propose that animal names, and perhaps other such actor names, refer to political forces within a nation, rather than a nation itself. This is sort of like saying "Nazi Germany" rather than just "Germany", because the emphasis is on the government, on the political system, and not so much on the national identity.

This distinct identification simplifies understanding of several prophecies:

1) Hog government falls in Russia


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Russia will eat the hog. The internal organization will eat the hog. For the Power and the Glory is Jesus Christ; For the Power and the Glory is Jehovah; For the Power and the Glory is the Holy Spirit, the Blessed Trinity, is the God of all. The hog will be eaten by the Russians. The day between the hog, the Lamb, and the coming of the Ritual will light up the sky.
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If Russia is the hog, as per #53 "So I said it, so it will be done, for Russia is the hog, for Russia is the hog," how can it eat itself? Well it cannot, but the hog here likely refers to the government of Russia, or "Fascist/Communist Russia", the one that starts the war on July 30th. Maybe they end up eaten up for bringing the nation into the catastrophe. Lest we forget, it is not just the US that is going to suffer in that war... Notably, the doxology in the paragraph may suggest that the government that will replace the Hog will be a good and Christian one, beloved of God. How long it will stand until Antichrist and his cohorts take over is another matter. Incidentally, this interim government may well be the one of the "tax collector" who becomes the king of the North in Daniel 11 after the king who started a great war falls and before the last evil king, the Antichrist, takes over and overthrows the Holy Covenant.

On the other hand, an alternative explanation would be that "eaten" means "digested", "swallowed", "eaten up" gullibly. Then this statement would refer to the Russia swallowing the lies of the Hog, as the Hog comes to power and prepares for war. I am not certain if this jibes well with the statement "between the Hog, the Lamb, and the coming of the Ritual", which seems to suggest more the last days of the Hog, not the first days.

And finally, we should remember that both of these things ought to happen. Russia will swallow the Hog's lies, in fact it is busy swallowing them right now as we speak, but it just does not register on the English speaking web. But if you read Russian, there are certainly plenty of signs for this "wicked generation" to see of what is in store. And the Hog's government will fall at some point, like any other, and in particular as suggested by Daniel 11 sequence of the kings of the North. So in a sense this prophecy does not give us much new extra-Biblical information, although it certainly focuses our attention on the relevant Biblical verses, like many other prophecies in the Prophecy Book.

other things the Hog does:


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For the Beast and Hog will conspire an elaborate Plan to Conquer the Western World . For the development of the Money , of the Economic Conditions of the World will befall upon the Beast , who will decide who will survive the financial collapses of the Monetary System . For the Power of Wealth , the Power of Arms , the Power of Political Movement will all fall into place with the collapse of the Monetary System , which will bring into Power the Beast and his followers .
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Key point here is that the Antichrist is a major force BEFORE the nuclear war, major enough to conspire with the Hog government that starts the war on July 30th, cf #73. But this is clear from other sources too, e.g. the Beast planning rebellion (of Muslims?) in France and blowing up Paris in prophecy #63.

It is also interesting that Russia is also referred to as the Bear a few times. I have no suggestions as to whether this should refer to a different government, or just the less political and more military view of the nation. Whereas the Hog or Pig is usually depicted doing diplomacy and conspiring, the Bear is depicted fighting and tearing things to pieces.

Hog eating withered branches: an indictment of the Russian Orthodox Church

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The pig that made everything dirty is going to begin to run with the branches that don't believe the Word of God. He is going to munch on the branches, and he is going to fill his stomach with everything green of the branches. My Son is going to stop the pig, yes with the spear.

For there is the pig looking for the branches with his pointed teeth. I tell you these things with Love. I tell you these things with tears. I tell you these things because they are the Truth.

Place your eyes toward your Christ, toward your Father, toward the Holy Spirit, and only your Christ, your Father, and the Holy Spirit. If you trust the pastors, everyone who believes they know something, the pig will eat them. I am telling you this in seriousness. For I don't care what name goes on your church, for the churches are of man. They are not of My Christ, the Holy Spirit, and your Father. For man has changed the Word of your God. They believe they are gods, the pastors, the ones who believe a lot of themselves.
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So who are those branches that the Russian government called Hog is going to munch on? Probably not the main English speaking audience of the prophecies, because it never says that the Hog ever actually conquers the English speaking world. Rather, they are the Russian Orthodox church. They are the Russian Christians. These matters do not usually show up in the English Internet, but the popular opinion in the Russian Orthodox Church on world politics boils down to "America/West is the Antichrist, fight for Mother Russia". Maybe not that direct, they think that the Antichrist is a slowly unfolding phenomenon related to the evil globalization and the spread of American culture. And they are also big on antisemitism, conspiracy theories about evil Zionists running the world, conspiracy theories of global conspiracy to destroy Russia, and lots of other conspiracies, you name it. Sort of like the Arabs, except they are also supposed to be a Church of God. They are very big on Russian national chauvinism, they think it is the world's deliverance from the evil of America, biometric ids, economic globalization and spread of capitalism, and other things they do not like. These people, these pastors who know it all, they will be the first ones to bless the Hog to wage the World War. The churches in the West might not be doing their job, but those in Russia certainly are, though for the wrong master.

2) on a note similar to the Hog being eaten, government change in a nation during World War



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Prophecy:

The vessel with the flower will fall first, the vessel with the vinegar will triumph over the vessel that will come in the middle of the War. For what is up is down, and what is down is up. And the Wolf and the Fox ran for their lives. For the hour of Penance came swiftly to the Owl.

The Scissors that will cut the Ribbon, will cut the Hand who strung the Ribbon. And the Ribbon is Red, but the blood of the Hand with the Scissors will be unaffected by the cut. For the strength of the Hand is mightier than the blood of the People.
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The two vessels here appear to be governments of a nation. The first will rise and fall in the midst of the World War, and the second evil one will overcome the People of the nation by their brutality. This may refer to the government of Russia (pro: in the previous paragraph it talks about the Hog's diplomacy with the Sabertooth tiger, i.e. Russia's complicity in Korean war. This paragraph also mentions the Owl, which is an enemy of the Russian Bear, they will fight in Egypt cf #166). Or it may refer to governments in America, that will eventually end up cooperating with the Antichrist, as is suggested by Daniel 11 ("Yea, they that feed of the portion of his [king of the South's] meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain. "), as well as by the sheer fact that Ray is warning Americans about Antichrist's reign.

3) Hornet and Japan

Hornet is identified with Japan by the following prophecy:


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The Hornet will increase in strength in Japan, when it develops Nuclear Weapons . For the righteous will encounter resistance on the day that the False Prophet bewitches the Japanese , for the Power of Satan is god , the False Prophet , for all of the World will be dominated by .
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Note that Hornet "increases in strength", like the Nazi party might have increased in strength before they took power. So Hornet must be the political party/movement/government that will eventually take over in Japan. And of course their good relations with the False Prophet, who controls the Middle Eastern oil reserves that Japan relies on, will help them out.

Now why does the Hornet take over?


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The French Doors will open at the sound of the Bell. And the Bell will ring when the Cross in the sky will show you. Paris will not be Paris . The sign of the Hog and the Saber tooth Tiger will cling to the Hornet Woe be to the world . Woe be to the world, to the blind , to the deaf .
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"The sign of the Hog and the Sabertooth Tiger will cling to the 'Hornet". Ok, so there is a big Korean war going on, with Russia participating in a way, or else it has just finished, and what are the Japanese to think here? Maybe they got hit too, by missiles with chemical weapons etc. So these things must really cling to the political party that will call for national defense, i.e. the Hornet. This is how they might take power. And see once again #75 for their cooperation with the False Prophet, likely for oil supply reasons.

This prophecy is also interesting because it seems to suggest a temporal connection between the events in France, e.g. destruction of Paris and whatever the French Doors represent, and the events on the Korean peninsula and Japan.

The Hornet fights the Beetle:


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The last big War to be fought will happen in your lifetime . So be prepared, be strong, practice the Word of God in your everyday living . Practice the rules, the regulations that are stated in the Bible . Look to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, look to the Holy Spirit to guide you, look to Me to listen to your prayers , for the day of the Beast is here . The day of this coronation will begin , when the Hornet and the Beetle clash . The outcome of that Battle will establish the authority and power of the Beast , which will begin the beginning of the end . Many are going to be confused for it will happen very fast. The ones who will be saved are the ones who will listen to the Prophets, and to the Just and Righteous Word, of Jesus Christ , Jehovah, and the Holy Spirit .
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Rev. Barr interprets the Beetle as Korea being attacked by Japan. Well, maybe. Although why would they do something like that, given that Korea is now a big pile of rubble after the war? But it may also mean that there is a major political clash inside Japan, perhaps even a coup or civil war, between the pacifists and the American allies of the Liberal Democratic Party, the Beetle, and the national defense and revival movements, the Hornet, and of course Hornet wins. I think it helps to have multiple intepretations, in the hope that they include at least one correct one.

Re: a thread to discuss factual predictions in Ray's Prophecies 7 years ago #854

Go into Google and type in Image search "core of the earth". This will help you understand how I think and how the LORD speaks to me.

You are now seeing a picture of the layers of the core. Each new layer is smaller and more intense the further you go in. This is prophecy.

watcher, you mentioned that each animal could be a political movement in each country (ie Hornet, the defense party in Japan) instead of the current government.

I have known for some time that every person is a sovereign nation, and that those sovereign nations each form a sovereign nation.

Each animal is representation of not just a political movement, as is a fulfillment on layer with the mantle of the earth, but deeper, is also a representation of a person, on deeper layer with the core of the earth.

Fulfillment happens on layers, as I am researching, and the deeper layers fulfillment are more intricate of the prophetic fulfillment, but the outer layers are also a more general fulfillment. Every prophecy of Jesus is like this. It is the nature of prophecy to be fulfilled in layers.

If you don't understand, its nothing but a thing. Its still the same God.

God Bless

BRT
Pray for st_joel.
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