Hi XXXXX,

Thank you for your question.

You ask:

In Ephesians 4:5 we are told, "One Lord, one faith one baptism." That being the case, it would appear that His Word is teaching us that there is only ONE baptism while in your "statement of faith" you teach the need for water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism?" Two baptisms? This puzzles me? A fellow soldier who looks to His Word for the truth, not the doctrines of man.

Yes that is true, I teach both water Baptism, and Holy Spirit Baptism, but I also teach a third Baptism, (see http://barr-family.com/godsword/mark1616.htm ) and that is the Baptism which is referred to in Ephesians 4:5. The Baptism which is spoken of in Ephesians 4:5, Mark 16:16, and many other verses in the New Testament, is the third Baptism which is intended. What the third Baptism says, and means, is that we become totally immersed in Jesus Christ, to never come out from Jesus Christ. That is the ONE BAPTISM of Ephesians 4:5, and the Baptism in Mark 16:16, And this Baptism is not the Baptism in water, Nor is it the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. When you first accept Jesus Christ, this is the Baptism which you receive, and it is received just as soon as you accept, by faith, Jesus Christ as your Lord, God, and Savior.

It is only AFTER you have received this Baptism, that you go on to have the Baptism in Water, in obedience to the command of Jesus Christ. And then may, or may not, receive the Gift of the Father, which is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, for Power. Now you can go to heaven without having had the Baptism in Water, (say, if you were to die, for any reason, after you had accepted Jesus, but before you can arrange the Baptism in water.) and you can go to heaven without having received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, BUT, you Can Not go to heaven without having that initial Baptism, or immersion into Jesus Christ.

To give you an understanding, we have to note that the Greeks had Three different words which the translators translated into the English Word "Baptize", or "Baptism", or "Dip". And while we usually read the English word "Baptize, or Baptism" as having only one meaning, (most people think only of Water Baptism) the Greeks had three different, but similar, meanings.

From the "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible", which list every word in the Bible, and has assigned a unique number to Every Word in the Bible, then shows the meaning of each of those words, referenced to those numbers, so there is no confusion. The number assigned is assigned to the Hebrew, or the Greek word, and not to the English word. So by this, when we look up the English word in any given verse, it shows us the Hebrew or Greek word that has been translated into the English word in that verse, which we are looking up in the Lexicon (Hebrew / English or Greek / English Dictionaries). And what the meaning is in the original language. In this case, in the Greek Language. I am not a language scholar, and can only quote from these reference books.

If you are interested, the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible is a relatively inexpensive book which you can obtain through any book store. The have it in two versions, the King James Version and the New International Version.

The root word, that is, the word which has the basic meaning, in this case has the number of #911, which means to dip (immerse) into water, (or Solution). From this word there are two other Greek words which are related to #911, but adds, or modifies the meaning, or action the word is describing. The first is #907, which not only means to put into the water, (or solution) but has a meaning of Leaving it in the water (or solution). The second word is #908, which has basically the same meaning as word #907, with only a very slight modification in meaning. I give you the meanings of each of these below. I believe that upon you reading these, that you will gain an understanding.

I hope this will answer your question, without confusing you, for I am sure that this is more answer than you expected.

With the Love of Jesus

Rev. Jack Barr


First, a short lesson on how to read what is given.

The word number is given, with the Greek Word following (if you had a Greek text font on your computer, you would see the Greek word in the actual Greek characters), and the English spelling of that word, along with how to pronounce the Greek word.

On the third line, the AV means "from the Authorized Version", which is the King James Version, next is listed the English word which this Greek Word has been translated to, and the number of times it was used in the Bible with that translation. In the case of number 907 below, this Greek Word was translated as "baptize" 76 times, and as "wash" 2 times, and as "baptist" one time, and the "baptized+2258 (which is it being used in the Past tense, like has been, had, was)" one time. Followed with the total number of times that word has been used in the Bible, 80 times. Then it goes on to give the meanings of that word.

Of real interest is the Note that goes with #907, for it really explains how the word was used, and it's meaning, compared to the other words.

Included Below each dictionary word meaning, I have included right below it every verse in the Bible which uses this particular Greek word.

907 baptizw baptizo bap-tid'-zo

from a derivative of 911; TDNT-1:529,92; verb

AV-baptize (76), wash 2, baptist 1, baptized+2258 1; 80

1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3) to overwhelm

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Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that shows
the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.

When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g. #Mr 16:16. 'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'. Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. There must be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to the pickle!
(Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989).


It is used 80 times in 65 verses

Matthew 3:6 And were baptized <907> of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize <907> you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize <907> you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Matthew 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized <907> of him.
Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized <907> of thee, and comest thou to me?
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized <907>, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized <907> with the baptism that I am baptized with <907>? They say unto him, We are able.
Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized <907> with the baptism that I am baptized with <907>: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing <907> them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:4 John did baptize <907> in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were <907> all baptized <907> of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized <907> you with water: but he shall baptize <907> you with the Holy Ghost.
Mark 1:9 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized <907> of John in Jordan.
Mark 6:14 ¶ And king Herod heard of him; (for his name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the Baptist <907> was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
Mark 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash <907>, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mark 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized <907> with the baptism that I am baptized with <907>?
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal <907> shall ye be baptized <907>:
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized <907> shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized <907> of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luke 3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized <907>, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize <907> you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize <907> you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luke 3:21 ¶ Now when all the people were baptized <907>, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized <907>, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized <907> with the baptism of John.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being <907> not baptized <907> of him.
Luke 11:38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had <907> not first washed <907> before dinner.
Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with <907>; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
John 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou <907> then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize <907> with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
John 1:28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing <907>.
John 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing <907> with water.
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize <907> with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth <907> with the Holy Ghost.
John 3:22 ¶ After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized <907>.
John 3:23 And John also was baptizing <907> in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized <907>.
John 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth <907>, and all men come to him.
John 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized <907> more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized <907> not, but his disciples,)
John 10:40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized <907>; and there he abode.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized <907> with water; but ye shall be baptized <907> with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized <907> every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized <907>: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized <907>, both men and women.
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized <907>, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized <907> in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized <907>?
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized <907> him.
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized <907>.
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should <907> not be baptized <907>, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized <907> in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized <907> with water; but ye shall be baptized <907> with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 16:15 And when she was baptized <907>, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized <907>, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized <907>.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized <907>? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized <907> with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized <907> in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized <907>, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized <907> into Jesus Christ were baptized <907> into his death?
1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized <907> in the name of Paul?
1 Corinthians 1:14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized <907> none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
1 Corinthians 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized <907> in mine own name.
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized <907> also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized <907> any other.
1 Corinthians 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize <907>, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1 Corinthians 10:2 And were <907> all baptized <907> unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are <907> we all baptized <907> into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized <907> for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized <907> for the dead?
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized <907> into Christ have put on Christ.

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908 baptisma baptisma bap'-tis-mah

from 907; TDNT-1:545,92; n n

AV-baptism 22; 22

1) immersion, submersion
1a) of calamities and afflictions with which one is quite overwhelmed
1b) of John's baptism, that purification rite by which men on confessing their sins were bound to spiritual reformation, obtained the pardon of their past sins and became qualified for the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom soon to be set up. This was valid Christian baptism, as this was the only baptism the apostles received and it is not recorded anywhere that they were ever rebaptised after Pentecost.
1c) of Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.

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In #Ro 6:3 Paul states we are "baptised unto death" meaning that we are not only dead to our former ways, but they are buried. To return to them is as unthinkable for a Christian as for one to dig up a dead corpse! In Moslem countries a new believer has little trouble with Moslems until he is publicly baptised. It is then, that the Moslems' know he means business, and then the persecution starts. See also discussion of baptism under No. 907.


22 verses

Matthew 3:7 ¶ But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism <908>, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism <908> that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism <908> that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 21:25 The baptism <908> of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism <908> of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 10:38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism <908> that I am baptized with?
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism <908> that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
Mark 11:30 The baptism <908> of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.
Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism <908> of repentance for the remission of sins;
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism <908> of John.
Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism <908> to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Luke 20:4 The baptism <908> of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism <908> of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism <908> which John preached;
Acts 13:24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism <908> of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism <908> of John.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism <908>.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism <908> of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism <908> into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism <908>,
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism <908>, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1 Peter 3:21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism <908> doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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911 baptw bapto bap'-to

a primary word; TDNT-1:529,92; v

AV-dip 3; 3

1) to dip, dip in, immerse
2) to dip into dye, to dye, colour

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Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.

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Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip <911> the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped <911> it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped <911> in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Jack Barr wrote:


I am you humble slave and would be honoured if you could tell me how you did that?

heart70946\n

"" is insanity.

My, My, My, heart70946

How every post you have put up on ProphecyLink just drips with Sarcasm!! And all in one day too. You did some digging and much reading to have come up with all these since you joined ProphecyLink Today Dec. 28, 2005. for I see all of your postings when I went on line at 8:30 AM CT this morning. You joined as a member this morning and already you have 14 Sarcastic postings. This leads one to think that you have been here for some time!! And might even have been using another name here???

You have chosen to mock everyone and everything on ProphecyLink. Only a Satanic Spirit would come in here and instantly start poking fun at everything that was posted in all seriousness.

These are your postings, which I list here, giving under which thread that you posted it to. And I am posting it on every thread that you posted to this morning. So that when one reads one they will see all of your at once.

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Hi All,

It was pointed out to me by another member on ProphecyLink, that they thought they has seen the same signature posted by Heart70946, that is the words "Poker Bonus New York Jobs".

I did not find those words used before on ProphecyLink when I did a search. But on looking closer to them it, turns out that "Poker Bonus New York Jobs" are two links to other web sites.

"Poker Bonus" links to a gambling site, and "New York Jobs" links to a site that will try to put a hidden data gathering link to their site.


Then I noted that Finger54758 also signed their posts with two links to Gambling sites.


Finger54758 had the same kind of mocking attitude that is displayed in the postings of Heart70946, like two peas in a pod.

It seems like Finger54758 has now come back as Heart70946. That also explains the super quick postings to so many threads in so short of time, (like within hours of joining)

You can see in postings above that mocking attitude by Finger, and Finger was sent a word of correction by Praise Jesus, above in this same Thread.

From this point on, in my book they are the same person.
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With the Love of Jesus
Rev. Jack Barr