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news article 6 years, 3 months ago #2231

  • st_joel
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My brothers and sisters i thought you might find this article intersesting.








States Eye Picketing at Soldiers' Funerals By CARRIE SPENCER GHOSE, Associated Press Writer
Mon Feb 6, 3:15 PM ET



COLUMBUS, Ohio - States are rushing to limit when and where people may protest at funerals — all because of a small Kansas church whose members picket soldiers' burials, arguing that Americans are dying for a country that harbors homosexuals.

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During the 1990s, the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., went around picketing the funerals of AIDS victims with protest signs that read, "God Hates Fags." But politicians began paying more attention recently when church members started showing up at the burials of soldiers and Marines killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Legislation is being considered in at least 14 states, and several of the bills moving quickly, with backing from legislative leaders and governors.

If they pass, the bills could set up a clash between privacy and free speech rights, and court challenges are almost certain.

"We're not proposing to silence the speech of the Westboro Baptist Church, as offensive as most of us find that," said Kansas Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, a Republican. Instead, he said, he is trying to achieve a balance that respects "the rights of families to bury their dead in peace."

The church has about 75 members, most of them belonging to the extended family of Westboro Baptist's pastor, the Rev. Fred Phelps. The church is an independent congregation that preaches a literal reading of the Bible.

Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter and an attorney for the church, said states cannot interfere with their message that the soldiers were struck down by God because they were fighting for a country that harbors homosexuals and adulterers.

Lawmakers are "trying to introduce something that will make them feel better about the holes we're punching in the facade they live under," Phelps-Roper said. "If they pass a law that gets in our way, they will be violating the Constitution, and we will sue them for that."

Among the states considering such measures: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

Some of the bills specify noisy, disruptive behavior or signs with "fighting words," as in Wisconsin. Some bar protests within one or two hours before or after a funeral starts; others specify distances ranging from 10 car lengths to five blocks away; some include both.

Violations can bring fines of a few hundred dollars, up to 30 days in jail, or more. Wisconsin is calling for fines of up to $10,000; one of five Oklahoma bills would set a one-year jail sentence.

Missouri's bill was named for Army Spc. Edward Lee Myers, 21, whose wife went to his funeral an hour early to try to avoid protesters. They were already across the road, holding signs that read "God Hates Fags" and "God Made IEDs," a reference to roadside bombs.

Her 5-year-old son kept asking why "mean people" were outside, undercover agents were in the church, and she worried that angry relatives might start a fight.

"I couldn't even pay my last respects because of everything that was going on," Jean Myers said.

Legislation against funeral protests was also introduced in West Virginia last month after a small knot of protesters from Westboro Baptist demonstrated outside a memorial for the 12 men killed in the Sago Mine disaster. The protesters held signs reading, "Thank God for Dead Miners," "God Hates Your Tears" and "Miners in Hell," arguing that the miners' deaths were a sign of God's wrath at America for tolerating gays.

"It's just inhuman for a group that says it's coming in the name of the Lord to protest a funeral," said state Delegate Jeff Eldridge, a co-sponsor of the West Virginia bill.

If such restrictions are challenged, the courts will probably look to rulings on laws governing abortion protests, constitutional scholars said.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Florida ban on peaceful picketing within 300 feet of an abortion clinic, but allowed restrictions on behavior that impedes access to a clinic. However, the courts have allowed restrictions on picketing in front of doctors' houses, saying privacy trumps free speech.

The question is whether a church, funeral home or cemetery is considered private or public during a ceremony, said Eugene Volokh, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles.

Re: news article 6 years, 3 months ago #2232

  • godsword
The actions of this perverted church group is another reason why the people of America will turn and pass laws bringing persecution upon all Christians in America.

Re: news article 6 years, 3 months ago #2233

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thats what i seen as well jack , only for some reason i couldnt speak when i posted this. Ahh i find myself speach less again... How will the world ever understand what a true Christain is?

Let them see the ones raiseing the dead , healing the sick and prophecying. Then will they hear rightous judgement , then will they see rightous protest , yes the church of man is makeing it hard for us. They have been sence the beginning.

What stood out to me is this qoute

"It's just inhuman for a group that says it's coming in the name of the Lord to protest a funeral," said state Delegate Jeff Eldridge, a co-sponsor of the West Virginia bill.


what is humane? Is he makeing up the rules now? I dont see anything good comeing when i see this news article. What i see from this is that the govt will set up there own form of rightousness. Against fanatic false christains like these , which will also harm those who speak out as the Lord leads them. The world cannot tell the differnce between a true Christain and a false christian it seems. There all " religious " in there eyes. Sad thing also is that many Christains cant tell the differnce between True Servants of the Lord from those who apear to be. But who can know such things save the Lord?

One thing the Lord has shown me about the Church of Man , is that He and He ALONE is the Only one who can point them out. For our eyes cant see the Hearts of men. The Lord gave me a sign , something to remember how decieveing the Church of Man can be. This is the thing He showed me.

There is a rare disease that man kind has known , and im not sure the name. But this disease causes mens body to age very slowly. The man himself maybe 30 to 40 years old , yet his body his voice and everything else that your eye can see looks no more than 12 years old. Such is the Church of Man in many cases , you would never be able to tell with your eyes or with your Ears , so be warned to lean on the Lord for understanding conserning men who come in the Name of the Lord.

Re: news article 6 years, 3 months ago #2252

  • Anonymous
These people are going about trying to estisblish their own righteous and have never sumbmitted to the righteous of God. They remind me of the zealots of the bibical times that went about trying to do all within their power to get rid the of the Roman powers and the revolt that did finally take place the romans crushed the it. Nothing has changed carnal minded chirstains have to understand it is not by pwoer, nor by might, but it by His Spirit that things get done. Because when His Spirit allowed to move in the church things are going to be done Right and Righteously. These are some things that is in my heart this morning.
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