Posted in the hopes that discussion may be brought here instead of on the e-mail list, according to Ray's request.

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Hello Denn and list,

While it is true that there are unclean spirits that seek to capture and influence men and women and destroy any true knowledge of the Lord, the Lord is very clear in the scriptures that unclean spirits are not the entirety of the problem.

There remains the matter of the flesh, the carnal nature, which, without any demonic influence whatsoever, is at enmity with God, and those that follow it are unable to please God.

So there is not only the matter of whether something is under the influence of an unclean spirit, but also the matter of whether something is following the path of the flesh, and not the path of the Holy Spirit.

Unlike unclean spirits, the flesh cannot be bound by saying, "I bind you in the name of Jesus." It cannot be come against in that way or cast out, separated from the person.

Even if someone is fully delivered from the influence of unclean spirits, there still remains the matter of the flesh, which has no understanding of the things of God, and cannot, being that it is a slave to sin that leads to death.

So Denn, the unity you are speaking of must be examined before the Lord, whether it is a unity of the flesh, or a unity with the Lord.

The Lord has revealed through Ray, among others, that there is a church out there that is not His, but claims to be His. It is man's church, run man's way, and is ignoring and reviling the ways of the Lord.

It is a church that is at enmity with God.

Is that the sort of church you want me to be united with? Is the sort that you desire to be united with?

Ray has been sent of a servant of the Lord, to be a thorn in the side of this church of man, to speak against its leadership the words the Lord is bringing against it. This is not a fight that Ray has chosen, but a fight that the Lord has chosen for him, and it is of the Lord's desire and doing.

The Lord is coming against this sort of church. Why?

Because it has nothing to do with Him, and those who belong to it and think they have life, have no life, and are fast approaching death forever. The church of man is killing people, people the Lord loves and wants to live.

So the Lord is coming to save as many as are willing to be saved, to wake up as many as are willing to be roused, and speak to as many as are willing to listen. So that they will live and not die!

Many are called but few are willing to come out and be cleaned of the flesh that has spoiled their garments.

So when Ray posts a prophecy against Benny Hinn, when he posts a prophecy that says that Joel Osteen is an immature Christian, don't you think that they, and those that follow them, see Ray as a man given over to a spirit of usurpation, misunderstanding, suspicion, one that is unsupportive of these great men of the Lord, these "pastors", and just full of vain imaginations?

Don't they come against him because he interferes with the "unity of the church" they are trying to create?

Can you imagine what he looks like to those who have no idea what the Lord is saying, because they cannot hear Him? So much so that He must send a servant to speak to them the things they do not want to hear?

They do not want to hear that their way is the way of the flesh. They do not want to hear that it will lead to death, that it has no power to save from the enemy that is coming to devour them, that they think they are safe, but that they are standing completely exposed, a city without walls, because they have no part in He who is to be our Strong Tower.

So they call what is holy, unholy. They call the good bad and the bad good. They come against the Lord, who should be their Head, as though He were Satan, because He is coming against the "unity" that they are convinced pleases Him but does not.

And is it confined only to these "great men?"

Hasn't this leaven, this doctrines not only of demons, but also of men and their natural instincts, that exalts itself in opposition to the truth of the Lord, hasn't it worked it's way throughout all the dough?

It's touched everything from top to bottom! Not just the leadership, but even the least of those who should be true sheep, yet are not. They eat the leavened teaching and approve of it, and give it to others, and on and on it goes, and true discipleship to Jesus Christ is replaced with a christianity that is no christianity, a gospel that is no gospel, and a love that is no love.

When has freedom in Christ ever been freedom to have nothing to do with Him?

When has love ever been so much that it stands silently by while others walk into darkness and death?

When has unity in Christ ever been unity with those who are His enemies?

Not that they call themselves his enemies, but that He calls them His enemies, and only because they persist in a way that is enmity against Him, and despise that which He gave His life to provide us.

And how was such leaven sown, how were these tares planted by the enemy?

Because those who should have been keeping watch were asleep!

Those who should have been walking close with the Lord, did not take heed, as they should have, being aware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law, and any other false teaching and deception that the enemy should choose to invent, and guarding their hearts against it, not only their hearts, but also the hearts of their brothers in Christ, because love makes every one his brother's keeper.

Because those who had been told to contend for the faith, have called contention evil. Those who had been told to make a right judgement, have called judgement evil.

It has been said many times that we are all just part of the body of Christ.

No, we are not, and you believe that lie to your harm.

Jesus was clear about who His brothers, sisters, and mothers were, those that were the true members of His family.

I will not continue to pretend that we are all of Him, when we are not, and I will not unite with the enemy of my Lord and King.

Such is spiritual fornication.

I do not wish to be an enemy of anyone, but the lines are drawn and the choices are there to be made.

Have you been born into christianity according to the will of the flesh, or by His Holy Spirit? Are you to be bundled with the wheat or the tares?

If you would be my brother, sister, mother, father, friend, then do the will of my Father and stop living foolishly.

And if you don't know what His will is, then forget everything you think you know, and come before Him, putting everything you are on the fire as a living sacrifice, so that He can burn everything that needs to go and strengthen what remains.

So that His Holy spirit can divide between the flesh and it's own and show you the difference!

Don't you know that the uncircumcised heart will be but off from the Lord?

I can no longer smile and condone what is passing for christianity, pretending like I do not know what He has shown me.

Go ahead and come against that.

Bind that in Christ's name, and see how far it gets you.

But before you do that, you might want to read the book of Jeremiah and the "unity" of the "brethren" he was sent to accuse, and you might want to pray, and ask the Lord to show you which path you are standing on, even if the truth of it is unpleasant to hear.

Because if all you are relying on is what you have just shared with us, you are going to miss it completely.

I also want you and rest of the list to know that I will be posting this to the ProphecyLink forum, in the hopes that we can take the issue there in response to Ray's wishes, but I leave that up to those who wish to respond to what I have just shared.

If there is to be discussion, you can determine where it takes place.

If you respond there, then I will answer there, respond privately, and I will answer privately, but if you respond to me here, then I will answer here, and such will be your choice and not mine.

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Noah Kinderknecht